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Shaadi
08-04-2013, 11:58 AM
Former Prime Minister Baroness Thatcher has died following a stroke, her spokesman has said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155

Should be quite interesting to see how the UK celebrates or otherwise.

ang
08-04-2013, 12:00 PM
This will takeover the news.

Must be extra vigilant for anything *sneaked out*

musashi
08-04-2013, 12:05 PM
There it is.
The Iron lady is no more.

Saoirse go Deo
08-04-2013, 12:05 PM
I won't be shedding any tears, to put it mildly.

DCon
08-04-2013, 12:07 PM
The Indo must have had this prepared in advance

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/thatcher-a-leader-who-transformed-a-nation-29181555.html

Count Bobulescu
08-04-2013, 12:08 PM
Just so no-one confuses the issue, just got word a couple of hours ago that my own da passed and am headed to Dublin. Me mammy has no internet so I'll be missing from PW for maybe a few weeks.

Andrew49
08-04-2013, 12:08 PM
Has it been absolutely confirmed .. by the sticking of pins in the eyes?

The lady's not for returning

Saoirse go Deo
08-04-2013, 12:09 PM
I'll have to make doubly sure to skip the Indo/Sindo for the next while, the articles about her from the usual suspects will be predictably sickening.

Slim Buddha
08-04-2013, 12:16 PM
Just so no-one confuses the issue, just got word a couple of hours ago that my own da passed and am headed to Dublin. Me mammy has no internet so I'll be missing from PW for maybe a few weeks.

Sorry to hear it Count. May he rest in peace.

Apjp
08-04-2013, 12:17 PM
Good enough for her. Salmond should use it as an opportunity to show the dominating conservatism of England's elite

Andrew49
08-04-2013, 12:18 PM
Just so no-one confuses the issue, just got word a couple of hours ago that my own da passed and am headed to Dublin. Me mammy has no internet so I'll be missing from PW for maybe a few weeks.

That's sad. May he rest in peace.

Andrew49
08-04-2013, 12:19 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155

Should be quite interesting to see how the UK celebrates or otherwise.

Friends are determined to give her a fitting send-off.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/theknitter/Thatchermourningbunting_zpsbe741636.jpg

Shaadi
08-04-2013, 12:20 PM
There were an awful lot of people threatening to hold the mother and father of all parties when she finally checked out. So it'll be very interesting to see how the North of England celebrates the passing of someone they regarded in the same way that we think about Cromwell.

Count Bobulescu
08-04-2013, 12:22 PM
Just so no-one confuses the issue, just got word a couple of hours ago that my own da passed and am headed to Dublin. Me mammy has no internet so I'll be missing from PW for maybe a few weeks.

Just checked on Wiki, she was 3 days older than him. How's that for coincidence.

DCon
08-04-2013, 12:27 PM
Poor Gilmore will have to high tail it back from the Trade Mission in Turkey to attend teh funeral

C. Flower
08-04-2013, 12:27 PM
Just so no-one confuses the issue, just got word a couple of hours ago that my own da passed and am headed to Dublin. Me mammy has no internet so I'll be missing from PW for maybe a few weeks.

I'm very sorry to hear that Count B. My sincere condolences.

Hope your trip over here goes smoothly.

C. Flower
08-04-2013, 12:28 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-22067155

Should be quite interesting to see how the UK celebrates or otherwise.

At last.

Mick Tully
08-04-2013, 12:35 PM
:cool:

"I have never killed a man but I have read many obituaries with great pleasure". Clarence Darrow

ang
08-04-2013, 12:38 PM
Margaret Thatcher won't be lying in State as per her own wishes but will be accorded a funeral in keeping with those of Queen Mother and Diana.

TotalMayhem
08-04-2013, 12:38 PM
Has it been absolutely confirmed .. by the sticking of pins in the eyes?

The lady's not for returning

http://i.imgur.com/zW9vkeR.jpg

DCon
08-04-2013, 12:44 PM
CNN choose a strange archive photo

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHVCdg-CIAA1NI2.jpg

Saoirse go Deo
08-04-2013, 12:44 PM
http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/images/posters/hstrike/poster52r.jpg


Today is the 32nd anniversary of Bobby Sands getting elected as an MP.

DCon
08-04-2013, 12:48 PM
Full military honours

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHVG0aNCcAE-rGC.png

C. Flower
08-04-2013, 12:51 PM
Blogged that :)

http://itsapoliticalworld.wordpress.com/

Apjp
08-04-2013, 12:52 PM
Poor Gilmore will have to high tail it back from the Trade Mission in Turkey to attend teh funeral

It's an insult to all the victims of the conflict that we would have a representative there at all.

DCon
08-04-2013, 12:55 PM
over 33,000 signatures!



Thatcher state funeral to be privatised

Responsible department: Cabinet Office

In keeping with the great lady's legacy, Margaret Thatcher's state funeral should be funded and managed by the private sector to offer the best value and choice for end users and other stakeholders.

The undersigned believe that the legacy of the former PM deserves nothing less and that offering this unique opportunity is an ideal way to cut government expense and further prove the merits of liberalised economics Baroness Thatcher spearheaded.

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/18914

Baron von Biffo
08-04-2013, 01:09 PM
Margaret Thatcher won't be lying in State as per her own wishes but will be accorded a funeral in keeping with those of Queen Mother and Diana.

I wonder if she realised that some of those filing past her corpse wouldn't have been able to restrain their joy at the sight?

The world is just the tiniest bit cleaner today.

Trow
08-04-2013, 01:12 PM
Just got word from Hel. It's full.

ang
08-04-2013, 01:17 PM
Gerry Adams -


Sinn Féin President Gerry Adams commenting on the death today of former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher said:

“Margaret Thatcher did great hurt to the Irish and British people during her time as British Prime Minister.

"Working class communities were devastated in Britain because of her policies.

"Her role in international affairs was equally belligerent whether in support of the Chilean dictator Pinochet, her opposition to sanctions against apartheid South Africa; and her support for the Khmer Rouge.

"Here in Ireland her espousal of old draconian militaristic policies prolonged the war and caused great suffering. She embraced censorship, collusion and the killing of citizens by covert operations, including the targeting of solicitors like Pat Finucane, alongside more open military operations and refused to recognise the rights of citizens to vote for parties of their choice.

"Her failed efforts to criminalise the republican struggle and the political prisoners is part of her legacy.

"It should be noted that in complete contradiction of her public posturing, she authorised a back channel of communications with the Sinn Féin leadership but failed to act on the logic of this.

"Unfortunately she was faced with weak Irish governments who failed to oppose her securocrat agenda or to enlist international support in defence of citizens in the north.

"Margaret Thatcher will be especially remembered for her shameful role during the epic hunger strikes of 1980 and 81.

"Her Irish policy failed miserably."

http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/26085#.UWK_G0RLgjw.twitter

Apjp
08-04-2013, 01:17 PM
Theyre just going to be making sure ha

Count Bobulescu
08-04-2013, 01:18 PM
Just listening to Simon Hoggart from the Guardian on NPR. Said when she was Minister for Education, she discontinued the daily pint of milk for the kids. She became known as Mrs Thatcher the milk snatcher. A new one on me.

fluffybiscuits
08-04-2013, 01:24 PM
My sympathies to CB, may your father rest in peace.

fluffybiscuits
08-04-2013, 01:26 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/22/privatising-thatchers-funeral-fitting-tribute-legacy


Now someone by the name of Scott Morgan has launched this e-petition:


"In keeping with the great lady's legacy, Margaret Thatcher's state funeral should be funded and managed by the private sector to offer the best value and choice for end users and other stakeholders. The undersigned believe that the legacy of the former PM deserves nothing less and that offering this unique opportunity is an ideal way to cut government expense and further prove the merits of liberalised economics Baroness Thatcher spearheaded."

This is a brilliant idea, and surely one even Thatcher will approve of. It can be a fitting tribute to her ideological legacy.

On a personal note, no I dont have one nice thing to say about her...

Andrew49
08-04-2013, 01:36 PM
Just listening to Simon Hoggart from the Guardian on NPR. Said when she was Minister for Education, she discontinued the daily pint of milk for the kids. She became known as Mrs Thatcher the milk snatcher. A new one on me.

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/theknitter/milk_zps8b21c41a.jpg

ang
08-04-2013, 02:27 PM
Enda -


I was saddened to learn of the death this morning of former British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher.
Mrs Thatcher was a formidable political leader who had a significant impact on British, European and world politics. During her eleven years as Prime Minister, she defined an era in British public life.
While her period of office came at a challenging time for British-Irish relations, when the violent conflict in Northern Ireland was at its peak, Mrs Thatcher signed the Anglo-Irish Agreement which laid the foundation for improved North-South cooperation and ultimately the Good Friday Agreement.
I extend my deepest sympathies to her family and the Prime Minister David Cameron.

http://www.merrionstreet.ie/index.php/2013/04/statement-by-taoiseach-enda-kenny-on-the-death-of-former-british-prime-minister-margaret-thatcher/?cat=3

fluffybiscuits
08-04-2013, 02:34 PM
Enda -



http://www.merrionstreet.ie/index.php/2013/04/statement-by-taoiseach-enda-kenny-on-the-death-of-former-british-prime-minister-margaret-thatcher/?cat=3

Meanwhile in Sinn Fein offices ...

372


:D :D lol

I'll get my coat...

C. Flower
08-04-2013, 02:58 PM
I would say in many ways Enda attempts to model himself on Thatcher.

Much of the pleasure is taken out of this occasion by the realisation that Thatchers' political children are running the place.

Richardbouvet
08-04-2013, 02:58 PM
From me its a simple Good riddance.

If anyone knows of celebrations, keep us posted.

ang
08-04-2013, 03:00 PM
Gorbachev says "exceptional" Thatcher helped end Cold War -


Margaret Thatcher was "a great politician and an exceptional person" who helped end the Cold War, said Mikhail Gorbachev, the last leader of the Soviet Union.

http://in.reuters.com/article/2013/04/08/britain-thatcher-gorbachev-idINDEE9370BL20130408

fluffybiscuits
08-04-2013, 03:07 PM
From me its a simple Good riddance.

If anyone knows of celebrations, keep us posted.

Parnell Square? :D

Dr. FIVE
08-04-2013, 03:54 PM
Think Micheal Martin had to wait and see what Gerry said before issuing a statement lolol

fluffybiscuits
08-04-2013, 04:11 PM
373

People Korps
08-04-2013, 04:27 PM
Jean Luc Melenchon of the Front Gauche has commented "Margaret Thatcher is going to discover in hell what she did to the miners." http://www.leparisien.fr/politique/thatcher-vue-de-france-la-droite-l-encense-la-gauche-sur-la-reserve-08-04-2013-2708043.php

Holly
08-04-2013, 04:34 PM
Just so no-one confuses the issue, just got word a couple of hours ago that my own da passed and am headed to Dublin. Me mammy has no internet so I'll be missing from PW for maybe a few weeks.

Sad news, Count.

PaddyJoe
08-04-2013, 04:58 PM
John Buttimer of FG becomes the first Councillor to propose a vote of sympathy for former UK PM Margaret Thatcher at Cork City Council this evening.

Shaadi
08-04-2013, 05:02 PM
John Buttimer of FG becomes the first Councillor to propose a vote of sympathy for former UK PM Margaret Thatcher at Cork City Council this evening. Not surprising, true blue FGers really are horrible right wing fantasists.

disability student
08-04-2013, 05:03 PM
Not surprising, true blue FGers really are horrible right wing fantasists.

FG always have been pro -British for years as they wear it on their sleeve.;)

Dr. FIVE
08-04-2013, 05:09 PM
The rebel county

Sidewinder
08-04-2013, 05:15 PM
I feel like a huge weight has been lifted from my shoulders and the world.

When the news came through here it was around 12:30am - got everyone up and down to the Welsh bar - lots of Welsh, crew of Yorkshire folk, some London cockneys, couple of Irish...free glasses of bubbles (cheap sparkling wine), lots of shots and beers, food....bit of a party till 4am. Most sane British people hated that psycho far more than us Nordie rebels. I was actually one of the most moderate people there and I hated her as much as I hate Ahern, but to see the sheer joy on the faces of Welsh, London, and northern English people was something to behold.

Great night, and a great day. Now if only someone would take care of the snivelller from Drumcondra....

Sidewinder
08-04-2013, 05:22 PM
374

One is an Imperialist mass-murdering kiddly-fiddling scumbag. Then there's the one on the right....

RahenyFG II
08-04-2013, 05:30 PM
She isn't heavily criticised enough for the sinking of the Belgrano during the Falkland Islands War. The Belgrano was clearly turning away from the British ships. Haughey in a way was right to pull out of EU sanctions against Argentina even if it was done with a political motivation to regain lost Republican votes because of the 1981 hunger strike.

Shaadi
08-04-2013, 05:31 PM
FG always have been pro -British for years as they wear it on their sleeve.;)My Dad used to say.

The ordinary FG voter he's just like you and me, normal. The true blue FGer is a bad bstrd, but then there's the red white and blue FGers and they're poisonous.

Andrew49
08-04-2013, 05:31 PM
Thatcher represented the 1980s rise of unabated capitalism and mass private ownership. The only insult to her, then, is to actually give her a state funeral. As has been argued for a while now, the entire ceremony should be privatized. If she’s the darling of the greedy corporate world, let them show their support, and fund it.


Britain’s greatest ever Prime Minister, Clement Attlee, never received a state funeral, despite helping to give us welfare and free universal health care, and save the country from total financial collapse thanks to his Keynesian economic policies.

[She's] undeserving of any grief from a nation she so badly damaged, and which is still struggling to recover from her decisions to this day. Let her death be instead a time to remember what the Right are really all about, and why she shouldn’t be mourned. The wicked witch is dead. We lost another oppressive piece of wretched refuse; a cancer on our society, preying on the weak and vulnerable. The world just got a little lighter.

Source (http://www.mediaactivist.com/blog/?p=189)

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/theknitter/423818.jpg

Holly
08-04-2013, 05:37 PM
She isn't heavily criticised enough for the sinking of the Belgrano during the Falkland Islands War. The Belgrano was clearly turning away from the British ships. ...
Where can we get a list of names of those who drowned at the sinking of the Belgrano?

Dr. FIVE
08-04-2013, 05:57 PM
Falls road

http://25.media.tumblr.com/d89002d376b625402af3cdc56a3f4b3e/tumblr_mkxz6xG0dU1qdl1cco1_500.jpg

..meanwhile in Louth

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHWNhqiCEAAquC6.jpg

toxic avenger
08-04-2013, 05:58 PM
May the Lord have mercy on her. I had nothing good to say about her since being a kid in Thatcher's Britain, but I won't gloat at an old woman's death either.

toxic avenger
08-04-2013, 06:03 PM
Just so no-one confuses the issue, just got word a couple of hours ago that my own da passed and am headed to Dublin. Me mammy has no internet so I'll be missing from PW for maybe a few weeks.

I'm very sorry for your loss, and, for what it is worth to you, will say a prayer for your family and your dad. May he rest in peace.

Andrew49
08-04-2013, 06:39 PM
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/theknitter/559677_10151394463763161_714748181_n_zpsb86dee4f.j pg

5intheface
08-04-2013, 06:43 PM
Margaret Hilda Roberts Thatcher

Born 1925 (Grantham, Lincolnshire)
Died 2013 (The Ritz, London)
Sadly Missed............................................ ................................1984 (Brighton)







Too soon?

Simonsays
08-04-2013, 07:02 PM
May the Lord have mercy on her. I had nothing good to say about her since being a kid in Thatcher's Britain, but I won't gloat at an old woman's death either.

I agree. I have limited positive things to say about Margaret Thatcher and quite a few negative things. While Britain was in a horrific mess when she took over, and some of the changes made, but not all, were inevitable, her divisiveness did immense damage to the social fabric in Britain. But whatever my thoughts about someone, I find the sight of people gloating over the death of someone, whether it is Thatcher, Chavez or anyone else repulsive. There will be plenty of time to assess Thatcher's legacy.

Simonsays
08-04-2013, 07:04 PM
Margaret Hilda Roberts Thatcher

Born 1925 (Grantham, Lincolnshire)
Died 2013 (The Ritz, London)
Sadly Missed............................................ ................................1984 (Brighton)







Too soon?

Sick.

5intheface
08-04-2013, 07:10 PM
Sick.

It is, isn't it?

You think she deserves better?

riposte
08-04-2013, 07:12 PM
Thatcher is dead. ....... and Hell is now full.

Simonsays
08-04-2013, 07:18 PM
The Indo must have had this prepared in advance

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/thatcher-a-leader-who-transformed-a-nation-29181555.html

Of course they did. All media outlets have obituaries prepared years in advance. The Queen Mother's first obituary was prepared when she married Prince Albert in 1923. (She was amused to be told once that she had outlived 17 people who had written her obituary for The Times.) Every paper in the world will already have Pope Francis's obituary ready. The moment anybody becomes even slightly famous the papers and broadcasters all draft an obituary and every year or two they update it. Every paper will have a draft obituary on each TD on file. (A decade ago when doing research I was able to read the draft obituaries for the then still alive Paddy Hillery as well as Mary Robinson and Mary McAleese.) Every broadcaster on the planet will also their obituary packages ready to run the second they hear of a death. One US station ironically just finished updating their Thatcher obituary last night purely by chance. It is how the business works.

Simonsays
08-04-2013, 07:19 PM
It is, isn't it?

You think she deserves better?

Every human being does.

Holly
08-04-2013, 07:26 PM
Every human being does.

What about horses; Sea Bass, for example?

5intheface
08-04-2013, 07:27 PM
Every human being does.

Simon, we will have to agree to disagree on that. I appreciate that both you and Toxic were equally vociferous against anti-Chavez posting following his death and whereas I don't usually indulge in this sort of thing, I make an unapologetic exception in the case of this malignant boil on humanity who spread misery in her own land, exported it through the world and on a personal level, was directly responsible for the implementation of policies which led to the deaths of friends and relations of mine. I give as much thought to her friends and family as she gave to the families of her victims...none.

toxic avenger
08-04-2013, 07:32 PM
Simon, we will have to agree to disagree on that. I appreciate that both you and Toxic were equally vociferous against anti-Chavez posting following his death and whereas I don't usually indulge in this sort of thing, I make an unapologetic exception in the case of this malignant boil on humanity who spread misery in her own land, exported it through the world and on a personal level, was directly responsible for the implementation of policies which led to the deaths of friends and relations of mine. I give as much thought to her friends and family as she gave to the families of her victims...none.

This is one case where I actually have no issue with the reactions of others, whatever those reactions are - she was someone who did great damage to lots of people's lives (to me, growing up, she was the devil incarnate). I personally don't feel like gloating, but I'm not going to have a pop at those who do.

TotalMayhem
08-04-2013, 07:45 PM
Thatcher is dead. ....... and Hell is now full.

Newsflash: She's only been in hell half an hour and she's already shut down three furnaces.

C. Flower
08-04-2013, 07:49 PM
I feel like a huge weight has been lifted from my shoulders and the world.

When the news came through here it was around 12:30am - got everyone up and down to the Welsh bar - lots of Welsh, crew of Yorkshire folk, some London cockneys, couple of Irish...free glasses of bubbles (cheap sparkling wine), lots of shots and beers, food....bit of a party till 4am. Most sane British people hated that psycho far more than us Nordie rebels. I was actually one of the most moderate people there and I hated her as much as I hate Ahern, but to see the sheer joy on the faces of Welsh, London, and northern English people was something to behold.

Great night, and a great day. Now if only someone would take care of the snivelller from Drumcondra....

Thatcher never got more than 40 % of the voters. A happy day for the other 60%

Shaadi
08-04-2013, 07:54 PM
She was a sociopath and those that followed her ideology were no better.

Dr. FIVE
08-04-2013, 07:58 PM
If you're appalled by inappropriate Thatcher comment just imagine what people would be saying if she channelled the nation's oil wealth into education.

riposte
08-04-2013, 07:59 PM
Of course they did. All media outlets have obituaries prepared years in advance. The Queen Mother's first obituary was prepared when she married Prince Albert in 1923. (She was amused to be told once that she had outlived 17 people who had written her obituary for The Times.) Every paper in the world will already have Pope Francis's obituary ready. The moment anybody becomes even slightly famous the papers and broadcasters all draft an obituary and every year or two they update it. Every paper will have a draft obituary on each TD on file. (A decade ago when doing research I was able to read the draft obituaries for the then still alive Paddy Hillery as well as Mary Robinson and Mary McAleese.) Every broadcaster on the planet will also their obituary packages ready to run the second they hear of a death. One US station ironically just finished updating their Thatcher obituary last night purely by chance. It is how the business works.

It is comforting to know we have a well informed authority on the Royal family on board this forum. It amazes me Simon that you can know so much .... about so much ..... and nothing at all about yourself.

Dr. FIVE
08-04-2013, 08:01 PM
Bogside

http://sphotos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/579836_532803720096115_1412179756_n.jpg

Andrew49
08-04-2013, 08:06 PM
The only time she cried was when she was booted out of Number 10 by her own party - she'd become odious even to the Tories!

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/theknitter/Margaret_zps8b5c19e7.jpg

Andrew49
08-04-2013, 08:07 PM
The only time she cried was when she was booted out of Number 10 by her own party - she'd become odious even to the Tories!

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/theknitter/Margaret_zps8b5c19e7.jpg

morticia
08-04-2013, 08:10 PM
Well, well well. Lol....

Friend of mine made the point that our new Argentinian Pope must truly have the ear of the Almighty...he's only been in a few weeks and look what's happened.

My (English and proudly working class) father in law always said he'd raise the flag from half mast down at the village church and then throw everyone a massive party. Sadly he pre deceased her, but if I hear of any strange goings on down in his graveyard.....having a glass in his memory tonight anyway.

Gerry Adams' obit hit the target as far as I was concerned; bang on. However he missed bank-a-geddon and austerity; I'd blame the old bat for that, too.

Dr. FIVE
08-04-2013, 08:11 PM
Glasgow City Council have urged people to stay away from the city's George Square after hundreds gathered to mark the death of Baroness Thatcher.

In a statement posted on their website, the Council said it was concerned the gathering was intended to be a "party".

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-22072150



In Brixton, south London - the scene of fierce rioting in the 1980s, blamed on deep social divisions as well as racial tensions - a hastily convened party was gathering pace.

"Thatcher herself, she represents so much of what people hate about what has happened to Britain in the last 20, 30 years," said 40-year-old graphic designer Ben Windsor, standing next to a man holding a poster with a crude Thatcher cartoon and the words 'rejoice rejoice'.

As policeman watched on, others arrived clutching cans of lager and bottles of wine and shouting 'she's dead!'

By early evening, a quickly rising 199,000 people had "liked" the isthatcherdeadyet.co.uk website, which had been updated with a large block-capital "Yes."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/04/08/us-britain-thatcher-parties-idUSBRE9370VO20130408?irpc=932


Hope for humanity

TotalMayhem
08-04-2013, 08:17 PM
http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/7756/45143820.jpg

5intheface
08-04-2013, 08:18 PM
Mrs. Thatcher

Do you weep, Mrs Thatcher, do you weep?
Do you wake, Mrs Thatcher, in your sleep?
Do you weep like a sad willow?
On your Marks and Spencer's pillow?
Are your tears molten steel?
Do you weep?
Do you wake with 'Three million' on your brain?
Are you sorry that they'll never work again?
When you're dressing in your blue, do you see the waiting queue?
Do you weep, Mrs Thatcher, do you weep?

Sue Townsend

goatstoe
08-04-2013, 08:28 PM
Normally don't bother commenting on deaths or obituaries one way or the other, but from a lot of sources and many reasons she was a particularly nasty piece of work. There's going to be a load of ould guff talked about her in the media over the next week or so that would turn your stomach.

She was one of the chief architects of the destruction of the world's economy and ultimately the stripping of the hard won welfare state in many economies for the benefit of the wealthy. On top of this she had blood on her hands with her ignorant and aggressive handling of the Northern Ireland issue. That's only the start of it. She was a horrible individual and it is right that much hatred is being shown for her on the day she has died.

Dr. FIVE
08-04-2013, 08:40 PM
Writing to Hayek. Regrettably couldn't move as fast as he’d like due to the limitations of democracy

http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2011/12/letter-from-margaret-thatcher-to-friedrich-hayek.html



I was aware of the remarkable success of the Chilean economy in reducing the share of Government expenditure substantially over the decade of the 70s. The progression from Allende's Socialism to the free enterprise capitalist economy of the 1980s is a striking example of economic reform from which we can learn many lessons.

However, I am sure you will agree that, in Britain with our democratic institutions and the need for a high degree of consent, some of the measures adopted in Chile are quite unacceptable.

5intheface
08-04-2013, 08:51 PM
"Let’s privatise her funeral. Put it out to competitive tender and accept the cheapest bid. It’s what she would have wanted."- Ken Loach

Dr. FIVE
08-04-2013, 08:53 PM
A nike coffin

TotalMayhem
08-04-2013, 08:57 PM
Margaret Thatcher gone to hell?

This lady's not for burning.

Kev Bar
08-04-2013, 08:57 PM
Anyone remember that startling Elvis Costello BBC late night arts genteel smashing interview over that marvellous oileann backed song Trample The Dirt Down.
The song is an obvious airing now.
But that interview gave a flash of the visceral hate which existed as much in England as it did in Ireland.
There was a civil war going down in England.
An ugly time.
A lot of ugliness around that woman.

Baron von Biffo
08-04-2013, 09:01 PM
A nike coffin

Soylent green blue?

DCon
08-04-2013, 09:11 PM
Tomorrow's Socialist Worker front page

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHW7rmECMAAK1yJ.jpg

Dr. FIVE
08-04-2013, 09:18 PM
She's being cremated.

Couldn't have a grave sure

PaddyJoe
08-04-2013, 09:21 PM
She's being cremated.

Couldn't have a grave sure
They could have gone the Bin Laden route. Naval tradition and all that.

RahenyFG II
08-04-2013, 09:35 PM
Where can we get a list of names of those who drowned at the sinking of the Belgrano?


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xqkrcd_argentina-commemorates-victims-of-belgrano-sinking_news#.UWM34aKG0tg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_General_Belgrano

Andrew49
08-04-2013, 09:48 PM
Margaret Thatcher, the “Iron Lady” of Britain who adamantly defended and praised her friend, former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet for “bringing democracy to Chile,” died following a stroke on Monday. She was 87.

Chile reacts to Thatcher's demise: Santiago Times (http://www.santiagotimes.cl/world/chile-abroad/25980-margaret-thatcher-staunch-pinochet-supporter-and-friend-dies)


Thatcher’s staunch support of the dictator — whose 17-year reign of terror included thousands of deaths and numerous human rights abuses — was a controversial position for her to take, though the “Iron Lady” was never one to shy away from controversy.

Holly
08-04-2013, 09:50 PM
... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARA_General_Belgrano

Thanks RahenyFG II but I cannot find a list of names.

Dr. FIVE
08-04-2013, 09:51 PM
Brixton

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHXC82OCMAATPH3.png:large

OedipusMaas
08-04-2013, 10:40 PM
It is very difficult to listen to the eulogising from Douglas Hurd, Nigel Lawson et al on the BBC. Whatever way you want to play it, Thatcher's policies certainly led to the atomisation of British society (she certainly didn't believe in 'society') and to the neoliberal / monetarist (Hayekian/Randian) consensus which governs the UK (and Ireland by extension) today which
indeed, via the elimination of regulation and promotion of privitisation, led to the economic crises of the 2000s. I doubt she thought much of this in her cossetted dotage spent out in the Ritz Hotel in London. Even so, dancing on her grave won't change the fact that her legacy continues to pollute governance in the UK, Ireland and the EU through her policy interventions over eighteen years at the helm of British politics from the late 1970s onwards. Glen Greenwald is certainly right when he says that we should not sanitise public figures in death so as to allow certain hagiographical accounts to pervade the discourse and influence the historical account for contemporary reasons http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-death-etiquette

Saoirse go Deo
08-04-2013, 10:46 PM
http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/733797_586395118051641_659549136_n.jpg


Fianna Fáil Wicklow PRO. Former Special Government Advisor.

Dr. FIVE
08-04-2013, 11:03 PM
Tomorrow's Steve Bell

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/4/8/1365456662820/Steve-Bell-09.03.2013-013.jpg

Simonsays
08-04-2013, 11:37 PM
http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/733797_586395118051641_659549136_n.jpg


Fianna Fáil Wicklow PRO. Former Special Government Advisor.

I don't buy into the hero worship of the hunger strikers but that comment by Kearon is vile. But then most of his comments are. He is known for it. No wonder he got on so well with his minister Dick Roche - two repulsive scumbags in my experience.

Mick Tully
09-04-2013, 12:01 AM
Stephen Kearon and "that" €3250 bill for hosting a website
Stephen Kearon - a Fianna

Kid Ryder
09-04-2013, 12:03 AM
Enjoying the night too much to post really #nowthatchersdead. We have a political duty to disrespect her memory. Party on!

Mick Tully
09-04-2013, 12:04 AM
Stephen Kearon and "that" €3250 bill for hosting a website
Stephen Kearon - a Fianna Fail member - at the same time as calling for spending cuts, was outed for charging€3250 for a year's hosting of ONE website. When it's a government site (Dick Roche's) you can get away with this - despite calls for "spending cuts".

Kev Bar
09-04-2013, 12:16 AM
Tomorrow's Steve Bell

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2013/4/8/1365456662820/Steve-Bell-09.03.2013-013.jpg

Good old Steve.
The voice of emboldened trenchant humanity during those 'ghastly' years.
I remember thinking Steve man you're gonna get crucified when he had Norman Tebbit appear wheeling the Missus in a wheelchair with Frankenstein scars and a bolt through his neck as the dust still settled on Brighton.

Respect to Mr Bell

Seán Ryan
09-04-2013, 01:01 PM
There was a massive do in the Cobblestone at Smithfield in Dublin last night. There were commies, republicans, socialists and not a few anarchists. And god knows what else.

Party hats were donned. Chants of "Maggie. Maggie. Maggie. Dead. Dead. Dead." Songs were sung. Old friends were caught up with.

Methinks we should party each and every time a piece of scum does the long yawn.

I've court in the morning and on Friday morning. I should be getting myself together and prepping. But me feckin' head. Tis hoppin' off me.

Time to sober my sorry arse up I s'pose. Will probably sink a few pints tonight too. Maggie has put me in the party mood.

Anyhow, they'll most likely mount some memorial to the harpy in the future. That'll have to suffice for the epitaph in ***** that I'll compose for her. I'd love to head to London to join the festivities there, but currently, there's just not enough time.

Hopefully Maggie's suffering was great before fate snipped her bloody thread. It's a great pity that she didn't spend a few days screaming before death reluctantly fondled her. That way I could have had some notice about the pending merriment. Fate can be so cruel at times...

toxic avenger
09-04-2013, 01:35 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-22078303

Mick Tully
09-04-2013, 01:36 PM
There was a massive do in the Cobblestone at Smithfield in Dublin last night. There were commies, republicans, socialists and not a few anarchists. And god knows what else.

Party hats were donned. Chants of "Maggie. Maggie. Maggie. Dead. Dead. Dead." Songs were sung. Old friends were caught up with.

Methinks we should party each and every time a piece of scum does the long yawn.

I've court in the morning and on Friday morning. I should be getting myself together and prepping. But me feckin' head. Tis hoppin' off me.

Time to sober my sorry arse up I s'pose. Will probably sink a few pints tonight too. Maggie has put me in the party mood.

Anyhow, they'll most likely mount some memorial to the harpy in the future. That'll have to suffice for the epitaph in ***** that I'll compose for her. I'd love to head to London to join the festivities there, but currently, there's just not enough time.

Hopefully Maggie's suffering was great before fate snipped her bloody thread. It's a great pity that she didn't spend a few days screaming before death reluctantly fondled her. That way I could have had some notice about the pending merriment. Fate can be so cruel at times...

:cool:

Kev Bar
09-04-2013, 01:42 PM
Margaret Thatcher, the “Iron Lady” of Britain who adamantly defended and praised her friend, former Chilean dictator Augusto Pinochet for “bringing democracy to Chile,” died following a stroke on Monday. She was 87.

Chile reacts to Thatcher's demise: Santiago Times (http://www.santiagotimes.cl/world/chile-abroad/25980-margaret-thatcher-staunch-pinochet-supporter-and-friend-dies)


Reading that certainly gives generous sustenance to one's inner Sean Ryan.:eek:

C. Flower
09-04-2013, 01:44 PM
Thatcher was mainly an adjunct to Reaganism and the aims of Wall Street.

Dr. FIVE
09-04-2013, 01:47 PM
Ding dong the witch is dead climbs to 11 in the UK singles chart

Kev Bar
09-04-2013, 01:50 PM
Ding dong the witch is dead climbs to 11 in the UK singles chart

Now that's class. Classier if it hits number one.

Dr. FIVE
09-04-2013, 02:04 PM
All very eighties


Here's Tony Benn on her resignation


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETqOvBKnKdk


I put the Dáil statements from 1990 on Cederlounge yesterday. John Bruton was the only fan

https://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2013/04/08/dail-statements-on-resignation-of-british-prime-minister-november-1990/

goatstoe
09-04-2013, 02:04 PM
Kevin Myers was on Newstalk earlier, whenever the presenter tried to raise a point of discussion Myers rose his tone to shout him down and continue his commentary. He was shouting stuff like he didn't need to be lectured by anyone in relation to Northern Ireland history and Maggie's legacy in the North. When turning on TV or the radio over the next week or two, it is going to be like being tied to a chair and made to watch that Hollywood Maggie Thatcher movie with Meryl Streep on a loop.

Holly
09-04-2013, 03:30 PM
Tony Benn was the most brilliant English politician in our time. That clip posted by Dr. Five is a treasure.

toxic avenger
09-04-2013, 03:33 PM
Martin Belam published this back in November:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/A_OtTeVCcAEjsAi.jpg:large

fluffybiscuits
09-04-2013, 03:43 PM
Kevin Myers was on Newstalk earlier, whenever the presenter tried to raise a point of discussion Myers rose his tone to shout him down and continue his commentary. He was shouting stuff like he didn't need to be lectured by anyone in relation to Northern Ireland history and Maggie's legacy in the North. When turning on TV or the radio over the next week or two, it is going to be like being tied to a chair and made to watch that Hollywood Maggie Thatcher movie with Meryl Streep on a loop.

Streep did do the role well albeit Tatcher was painted out to be a hero of sorts...

Andrew49
09-04-2013, 04:09 PM
Thatcher was mainly an adjunct to Reaganism and the aims of Wall Street.

In the early years of her power she was just another European leader to Reagan - indeed when the Falklands crisis blew-up Regan (as much as) stated that he was in the middle on the rights & wrongs of the issue and that he wasn't taking sides.

There was a few short weeks, at the beginning of that saga, where Thatcher and the Tories could have been brought down by the combined forces of an uninterested Reagan and the Argentine Junta!

Andrew49
09-04-2013, 04:16 PM
Streep did do the role well albeit Tatcher was painted out to be a hero of sorts...

Thatcher was very concerned that Hollywood would not portray an accurate portrait of herself so she arrived one morning - when they were shooting the Iranian Embassy hostages segment - to check on how the film was progressing. She demanded that she be allowed to do her own stunts in the rescue of the hostages. There was one long scene where she scales the front of the building, tosses a bomb through a window and, amid screams, smoke and fire, she abseils into the wreckage, disables two terrorists, rescues the hostages and leads them to safety to an admiring and loudly applauding and cheering British public seated on deckchairs around Big Ben.

Unfortunately that scene didn't make the final cut.

C. Flower
09-04-2013, 06:06 PM
I've added a poll.

goatstoe
09-04-2013, 06:12 PM
Streep did do the role well albeit Tatcher was painted out to be a hero of sorts...

I haven't seen the film, but I imagine it's the sort of selected hagiographical account that lots of commentators will be wheeled out to give over the next couple of weeks.

toxic avenger
09-04-2013, 06:38 PM
I've added a poll.

Can we have a 'Mweh' option?

Slim Buddha
10-04-2013, 07:17 AM
For me, the seeds of Thatcherism were to be found in the CIA-sponsored sabotage of the Allende government in Chile and the imposition of a military dictatorship in 1973. Chile was a test laboratory for neo-liberalism and the economic theories of the Chicago school for six years before Thatcher came to power and seven years before Reagan was elected.
In a military dictatorship, such a laboratory test can be conducted unhindered by strikes, parliamentary action of any other form of opposition. A South American country with a left-wing government was an ideal venue for such a test if it could be made unstable and replace with a military dictatorship. It is not as if this was in any way unusual because most vountries in South America at the time were military dictatorships.

The Chilean people paid an awful price for the implementation of these theories. But from a pure economic point of view, these were deemed a success. It helped the Tories and the Republican Party in the US that the Callaghan and Carter regimes were so hapless and ineffective in dealing with economic problems. The tough medicine that the Chileans were forced to swallow was precisely what Thatcher and Reagan had in mind for the UK and the US. Unions were the enemy, not just in the UK. Reagan, early in his presidency, took on the air traffic controllers and won. Other unions got the hint. In the UK, whole industries were laid waste in Thatchers Herculean effort to smash the Unions. The steel industry, shipbuilding, coal and so on were destroyed in order to prove an economic theory correct. While I believe that in 1979, Britain had reached the end of one particular road and needed considerable reform, Thatcher had nothing to offer as a replacement to those whose industires she had finished. The economic centre of gravity in Britain moved to the City of London. Not only that, but deregulation, particularly in financial services, changed the nature of the British economy forever.

The reason for the animus being expressed against Thatcher now is that the wounds have not healed. Vast swathes of the north of England remain much as they have since the industries which characterised them disappeared. With the power of the unions depleted, casualisation of labour, particularly in the north of England, south Wales and parts of Scotland is commonplace.

At least Thatcher lived long enough to see the failure of neo-liberalism. She witnessed the banking crash and the cul-de-sac that rampant neo-liberalism drove the world economy into in 2008. However, we should never forget that the cradle of this dangerous economic dogma was in Santiago, born out of a bloody coup d'etat and Thatcher's close friendship with Gen. Augusto Pinochet and the offer of asylum to him when the Spanish authorities were thinking of putting him on trial was her way of paying a very deep debt.

Sidewinder
10-04-2013, 11:44 AM
Just listening to Simon Hoggart from the Guardian on NPR. Said when she was Minister for Education, she discontinued the daily pint of milk for the kids. She became known as Mrs Thatcher the milk snatcher. A new one on me.

Sorry to hear about your dad.

Yeah I was about P2 or P3 when that happened, the free milk applied in the north as well. I was secretly glad cos I can't stand milk, and it was made worse in that the small rural school I went to used to keep the milk beside the ancient old range that was the only source of heat in the winter, so by the time we were forced to drink it it was all warm. Uuurrrgh.

Had a great sesh till 4am in the Welsh Bar, it was Monday night here when we got the news, bar was full of Welsh, English and Irish people with huge grins on. It really was like a huge oppressive and malignant shadow that dogged us all our lives was now gone forever.

Sidewinder
10-04-2013, 11:46 AM
At least Thatcher lived long enough to see the failure of neo-liberalism. She witnessed the banking crash and the cul-de-sac that rampant neo-liberalism drove the world economy into in 2008.

Unfortunately the evil cow has been completely senile for many years and had no idea what was going on in recent times. She even robbed us of that small pleasure.

fluffybiscuits
10-04-2013, 11:56 AM
I stuck a few of the memes on my blog.



Glyko Symoritis had this on his blog :D

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-HMaKJ91aHNc/UWPJPrPiD0I/AAAAAAAALKo/69Doh4IyWEU/s1600/zombiemaggie.jpg

Warning its in bad taste if you are easily offended, its Tatcher as a zombie!

Shaadi
10-04-2013, 12:13 PM
Unfortunately the evil cow has been completely senile for many years and had no idea what was going on in recent times. She even robbed us of that small pleasure.She, like all the other Sicko right wing loons would have got a buzz out of the misery it's causing and from watching the raft of privitizations that it will lead to.

DCon
10-04-2013, 12:34 PM
good way to annoy Argentina


MARGARET Thatcher’s funeral will have a Falklands War theme, the British Government said today.

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/margaret-thatchers-funeral-will-have-a-falklands-war-theme-29187690.html

fluffybiscuits
10-04-2013, 12:34 PM
good way to annoy Argentina



http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/margaret-thatchers-funeral-will-have-a-falklands-war-theme-29187690.html

Fire the 21 gun salute into the coffin ?

Slim Buddha
10-04-2013, 12:36 PM
Unfortunately the evil cow has been completely senile for many years and had no idea what was going on in recent times. She even robbed us of that small pleasure.

I admit, it was kind of wishful thinking on my part. She has been as daft as Gazza for years.

fluffybiscuits
10-04-2013, 12:40 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-22087702


Australia's Foreign Minister Bob Carr has described comments made by Baroness Thatcher as "unabashedly racist".

In a conversation with her "in her retirement", Mr Carr said the former UK prime minister had warned Australia against Asian immigration.

Andrew49
10-04-2013, 12:42 PM
The Daily Mail is staying on-message, despite the palpable grief evident over Thatcher's demise:

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/theknitter/DM23_zpsdb0edf80.jpg
:o

fluffybiscuits
10-04-2013, 12:45 PM
:D

TotalMayhem
10-04-2013, 12:53 PM
good way to annoy Argentina

Margaret Thatcher’s funeral will have a ‘Falklands War theme’

http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/margaret-thatchers-funeral-will-have-a-falklands-war-theme-29187690.html

Will Rod Stewart be there to sing Sailing?

Andrew49
10-04-2013, 01:02 PM
Lady Thatcher was most keen that the BBC should not automatically win the broadcast rights and would have been delighted to learn that the shopping channel QVC won the UK broadcast rights. They intend to run a ticker-tape at the bottom of the screen throughout their live broadcast selling [Thatcher] memorabilia. In the US, Fox News has secured the broadcast rights and intends to use Louise Mensch and Sarah Palin as anchors, in order to tell US viewers about this pivotal character in the stories of the rise of Louise Mensch and Sarah Palin. Source (http://anglicanmemes.com/2013/04/08/jeremy-clarkson-to-lead-lady-thatchers-privatised-funeral/)

Andrew49
10-04-2013, 01:06 PM
Mark Thatcher just said he feels completely lost without her.

Slim Buddha
10-04-2013, 01:10 PM
Will Rod Stewart be there to sing Sailing?

That is Rod Stewart, well-known passionate football fan??
I think he supports the wrong club.

toxic avenger
10-04-2013, 01:34 PM
Mark Thatcher just said he feels completely lost without her.

Good one! Though that probably went way over the head of everyone here under 30-odd...

Slim Buddha
10-04-2013, 01:51 PM
Good one! Though that probably went way over the head of everyone here under 30-odd...

He probably hasn't been lost in the same place since and the political situation around Timboktou
is a bit hotter than it used to be.
But he has been back in Africa. If memory serves me right, he was involved in an attempted coup d'etat in Equitorial Guinea a few years back.


http://www.afrol.com/articles/15309

toxic avenger
10-04-2013, 01:58 PM
He probably hasn't been lost in the same place since and the political situation around Timboktou
is a bit hotter than it used to be.
But he has been back in Africa. If memory serves me right, he was involved in an attempted coup d'etat in Equitorial Guinea a few years back.


http://www.afrol.com/articles/15309

Yep, him and a mercenary by the name of Simon Mann, IIRC. Wonder how he wriggled off the hook for that one...

fluffybiscuits
10-04-2013, 02:02 PM
Yep, him and a mercenary by the name of Simon Mann, IIRC. Wonder how he wriggled off the hook for that one...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4169557.stm

Mark Tatcher plea bargained...

C. Flower
10-04-2013, 02:15 PM
Class warrior par excellence, Margaret Thatcher. There was no ambiguity about what she stood for. It is extraordinary to read news headline about preparations for riots when a long gone Prime Minister is to be buried.

People will not be satisfied until a stake has been driven through her heart.

TotalMayhem
10-04-2013, 03:37 PM
http://i.imgur.com/NueG2iK.jpg

Ceannaire
10-04-2013, 03:42 PM
Lady Thatcher was most keen that the BBC should not automatically win the broadcast rights and would have been delighted to learn that the shopping channel QVC won the UK broadcast rights. They intend to run a ticker-tape at the bottom of the screen throughout their live broadcast selling [Thatcher] memorabilia. In the US, Fox News has secured the broadcast rights and intends to use Louise Mensch and Sarah Palin as anchors, in order to tell US viewers about this pivotal character in the stories of the rise of Louise Mensch and Sarah Palin. Source (http://anglicanmemes.com/2013/04/08/jeremy-clarkson-to-lead-lady-thatchers-privatised-funeral/)


Sarah Palin is reported not even to have known who Margaret Thatcher was before going on to claim her as one of her greatest inspirations!

Dr. FIVE
10-04-2013, 03:54 PM
Commons now. Not all tributes it has to be said.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/democracylive/house_of_commons/

Newsy
10-04-2013, 04:19 PM
Just so no-one confuses the issue, just got word a couple of hours ago that my own da passed and am headed to Dublin. Me mammy has no internet so I'll be missing from PW for maybe a few weeks.

Sorry to hear about the death of your Dad, Count.

May he rest in peace.

Dr. FIVE
10-04-2013, 04:39 PM
Good piece

http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkingdom/anthony-barnett/thatcher-and-words-no-one-mentions-north-sea-oil

Sam Lord
10-04-2013, 04:55 PM
I don't understand option five in the poll.

Newsy
10-04-2013, 05:15 PM
When I just looked at the poll, I couldn't find a slot which said 'Disappointed about insults'. That would have been mine.

I was sorry to hear of her death, for her family.

May she rest in peace.

Dr. FIVE
10-04-2013, 05:24 PM
I don't understand option five in the poll.

the jokes I think

Holly
10-04-2013, 05:44 PM
Commons now. Not all tributes it has to be said.

A super speech by Glenda Jackson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDtClJYJBj8

DCon
10-04-2013, 08:34 PM
http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/733797_586395118051641_659549136_n.jpg


Fianna Fáil Wicklow PRO. Former Special Government Advisor.

FF response


The party issued a statement today which read as follows

Thank you for your recent email regarding comments made by Mr Stephen
Kearon on Twitter. I have looked into this matter.

Firstly, the comments made by Mr Kearon were made in a personal capacity
and do not in any way represent the views of Fianna Fáil. The Party does
not condone them in any way and finds them totally unacceptable.

Mt Kearon has apologised for his comments and he has indicated that he has
withdrawn his name from our internal elections to be held at our
forthcoming Ard Fheis.

Best regards,

Seán Dorgan
General Secretary
Dear MicFianna Fáil

http://www.wicklownews.net/Post/2013/4/4511/-ff-pro-withdraws-from-internal-elections-following-twitter-comments

Dr. FIVE
10-04-2013, 08:39 PM
lol

morticia
10-04-2013, 08:49 PM
Fire the 21 gun salute into the coffin ?

....use silver bullets. Just in case

PaddyJoe
10-04-2013, 09:14 PM
FF response



http://www.wicklownews.net/Post/2013/4/4511/-ff-pro-withdraws-from-internal-elections-following-twitter-comments
Wonder what he was seeking to be elected as? Social media director?
;)

Dr. FIVE
10-04-2013, 09:32 PM
Made An Phoblacht too. Will be delighted with that

http://www.anphoblacht.com/contents/22924#.UWXZI760xH8

Saoirse go Deo
10-04-2013, 09:59 PM
Looks like he is behind other twitter accounts too

http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/524395_10151409789302914_146619776_n.jpg

How sad.

Holly
10-04-2013, 10:28 PM
Looks like he is behind other twitter accounts too ... How sad.
Clearly written by the same poisoned pen.

Mick Tully
10-04-2013, 10:36 PM
Why was the vote restricted to moderate. I would have thought there would be a section like, Fantastic, Tyrant has gone, Evil can't last for ever. I am sure some other could come up with something better.

Mick Tully
10-04-2013, 10:40 PM
Sarah Palin is reported not even to have known who Margaret Thatcher was before going on to claim her as one of her greatest inspirations!

The Bimbo express, I can see Russia from my sun lounge.

Mick Tully
10-04-2013, 10:47 PM
Remember what he tweeted, when the 2014 council elections comes around. I am sure the Pri(k Roach will give him some distance considering he represents the Republican Party fantasy.

Simonsays
10-04-2013, 11:14 PM
Looks like he is behind other twitter accounts too

http://sphotos-f.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/524395_10151409789302914_146619776_n.jpg

How sad.

It wouldn't be the first time that scumbag set up fake accounts in other people's names either. Lets just say he has form.

Slim Buddha
11-04-2013, 01:03 PM
Thatcherite economics explained in full


"Several years ago, The company I worked for decided that its electronics manufacture would be outsourced to China.

So successful was it, that a couple of years later we all arrived in work on a monday to a notice that said that the computer system was down due to a virus.

At 10 O'clock the management announced that we were all redundant as design is going to China as well.

Several years after that, the factory up the road from the outsourced chinese factory, started making the exact same product for a lot less. and the company went belly up.

Several years later, the clone Chinese factory set up a UK design house, needed for some type of contracts. Hired some of the designers from the original factory. whose first jobs on the list was to update the designs from the first factory.

A local MP appeared in the local paper with the great news that they had brought in foreign invest to the UK."

C. Flower
11-04-2013, 09:56 PM
Thatcher funeral arrangements... 700 troops to be at it: the Royals going cracked, reportedly, Lmfao

:)

Mick Tully
11-04-2013, 10:20 PM
Troops will not carry any ammo, due to the obvious reasons. When news reached the ruling classes, a huge sigh of relief was heard.:o

RahenyFG II
11-04-2013, 10:21 PM
Thanks RahenyFG II but I cannot find a list of names.

Are you trying to say it was faked and no one was on board when it was attacked?

C. Flower
11-04-2013, 10:26 PM
Why was the vote restricted to moderate. I would have thought there would be a section like, Fantastic, Tyrant has gone, Evil can't last for ever. I am sure some other could come up with something better.

It can be arranged.

:)

Mick Tully
11-04-2013, 10:35 PM
Thanks.

Holly
11-04-2013, 10:47 PM
Are you trying to say it was faked and no one was on board when it was attacked?
No.

barney
12-04-2013, 12:01 AM
Sums up the oul *****!

I curse the wretched evil
That makes me feel this way
That forces me to think of it
With every passing day.
It makes me hate and wait and wait
To hear it's dying breath
For that I'm sure it must endure
A slow and painful death.

It's loathed in Buenos Aires
Likewise in Crossmaglen
Despised in every closed down pit
From Kent to Bilsten Glen
It deprived men of their livelihood
It stripped them of their pride
It took their coal and gave them dole
Their dignity denied.

It tore apart communities
It devastated lives
It made enemies of neighbours
And left husbands without wives
It disregarded consequence
It killed both young and old
It privatised our heat and light
And left us dark and cold.

It undermined democracy
Sold council homes for votes
It hid the truth on Hillsborough
As history denotes
It robbed the poor to pay the rich
With unjust, unfair taxation
The price of which is being paid
By another generation

It murdered Argentine conscripts
In the South Atlantic seas
Outside it's own exclusion zone
It let them drown or freeze
It delegated evil
From it's Whitehall ivory tower
It kept Mandela in prison
And Pinochet in power.

It wreaked it's trail of terror
'cross Ulsters rolling hills
It ran the Loyalist death squads
It sanctioned shoot to kill
It took three 'out' without a shout
In cold blood upon the Rock
And let ten Irish martyrs die
Of hunger in the Blocks.

But when it's day of judgement comes
As all things come to pass
We'll shed no tears nor mourn it's loss
Among the working class
Instead we'll meet on every street
In every town and city
And tramp it down into the ground
Without remorse or pity.

Mick Tully
12-04-2013, 12:30 AM
Sweet jaysus Barney, that is first class

Dr. FIVE
12-04-2013, 01:49 AM
:cool:



http://www.itv.com/news/update/2013-04-11/anti-thatcher-funeral-protesters-yet-to-contact-police/

PaddyJoe
12-04-2013, 02:11 AM
I thought the outermost reaches of the surreal had already been reached, but...

Ding Dong the Witch is Dead, a song from the Wizard of Oz, has sold 20,000 copies this week after anti-Thatcher campaigners encouraged people to buy it to celebrate the death of the former Prime Minister.

The decision on whether to broadcast the song is the first test for new Director-General Lord Hall, who started in the £450,000-a-year post last week.
Friends of Lady Thatcher said the corporation would be guilty of a “serious dereliction of duty” if it aired the song.

Lord McAlpine, a former Conservative Party treasurer and long-standing friend of Lady Thatcher, said he was “absolutely astounded” that the corporation was even considering broadcasting the song.
http://ccaa.elpais.com/ccaa/2013/04/11/catalunya/1365706298_014468.html

Dr. FIVE
12-04-2013, 02:16 AM
An amazing few days

PaddyJoe
12-04-2013, 02:22 AM
An amazing few days
The Tories have lost all grip on reality. Shouldn't showings of The Wizard of Oz be banned for at least a month?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHQLQ1Rc_Js

Dr. FIVE
12-04-2013, 02:26 AM
Same crew who rail against pc gone mad are trying to ban a wizard of oz song from the 1930s lolol

DCon
12-04-2013, 08:19 AM
Our Minister for Education will represent the State at the funeral

Baron von Biffo
12-04-2013, 08:25 AM
Our Minister for Education will represent the State at the funeral

Seems appropriate that it's someone from the more right-wing party in the coalition.

Slim Buddha
12-04-2013, 09:08 AM
Our Minister for Education will represent the State at the funeral

Noonan would be a more fitting choice, given the hectoring style, the insistence that his is the only and correct course, the brow-beating of any opposition etc.

DCon
12-04-2013, 11:36 AM
Guardian ad

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BHpc8vlCMAA0Hve.jpg

C. Flower
12-04-2013, 11:43 AM
I thought the outermost reaches of the surreal had already been reached, but...

http://ccaa.elpais.com/ccaa/2013/04/11/catalunya/1365706298_014468.html

The bombings in England drove a wedge into what otherwise would have been a very powerful coalition of opposition to Thatcher in Ireland and Britain. RTE constantly purveys an image of the U.K. population as Queen and Thatcher loving sheep, when that was and is anything but the truth.
Republicans should not buy into that rubbish. It is not the same as the North of Ireland. In the 70s and 80s there was little or no "loyalism" in England Scotland and Wales, and a deep hatred of Thatcher.

Andrew49
12-04-2013, 11:50 AM
I thought the outermost reaches of the surreal had already been reached, but...




Ding Dong the Witch is Dead, a song from the Wizard of Oz, has sold 20,000 copies this week after anti-Thatcher campaigners encouraged people to buy it to celebrate the death of the former Prime Minister.

The decision on whether to broadcast the song is the first test for new Director-General Lord Hall, who started in the £450,000-a-year post last week.
Friends of Lady Thatcher said the corporation would be guilty of a “serious dereliction of duty” if it aired the song.

Lord McAlpine, a former Conservative Party treasurer and long-standing friend of Lady Thatcher, said he was “absolutely astounded” that the corporation was even considering broadcasting the song.

Apparent Thatcher's face appearing in a bottlecap!

http://ccaa.elpais.com/ccaa/2013/04/11/catalunya/1365706298_014468.html

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/theknitter/Thatcher-Bottlecap-1820342_zps90637253.jpg

DCon
12-04-2013, 12:05 PM
Cop forced to resign over a loose tongue on the tweet machine


A police officer who reportedly posted a series of offensive messages onTwitter following the death of Baroness Thatcher has resigned from the Met.

Earlier on Friday, Scotland Yard said it was looking into the Twitter postings.

Under the Twitter handle @thinbluespeck, which has since been taken down, Sergeant Jeremy Scott is understood to have said he hoped Lady Thatcher's death was "painful and degrading".

Sergeant Scott, who has a back office role, reportedly said her death was "87 years too late" and added that the world was a "better place".

http://news.sky.com/story/1077308/officer-resigns-over-anti-thatcher-tweets

Dr. FIVE
12-04-2013, 12:06 PM
lolol

fluffybiscuits
12-04-2013, 02:42 PM
Cop forced to resign over a loose tongue on the tweet machine



http://news.sky.com/story/1077308/officer-resigns-over-anti-thatcher-tweets

I dont see what was wrong....thats what most people have thought at some stage...

PaddyJoe
12-04-2013, 02:52 PM
'Calle Margaret Thatcher'

Margaret Thatcher (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/margaretthatcher) will have a street, square or avenue named after her in the Spanish capital of Madrid, after the city council proposed that the late former British prime minister's name should figure on its street map.
"She will have her street," a spokesman for city hall confirmed on Friday. "The proposal goes to a city hall meeting later this month."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/12/margaret-thatcher-madrid-street-name

Holly
12-04-2013, 04:17 PM
I'd have thought the Madrid Ajuntiamento had more important matters to occupy their time.

PaddyJoe
12-04-2013, 08:47 PM
It could get a bit messy in London tomorrow. Millwall and Wigan are playing in the semi of the FA cup in the afternoon and Millwall fans will be back in Central London while the Thatcher celebration party is going on in Trafalgar square.

C. Flower
12-04-2013, 08:57 PM
It could get a bit messy in London tomorrow. Millwall and Wigan are playing in the semi of the FA cup in the afternoon and Millwall fans will be back in Central London while the Thatcher celebration party is going on in Trafalgar square.

Ah, Trafalgar Square, scene of the Poll Tax Celebrations, 1990.

http://libcom.org/files/imagecache/article/poll_tax_430x300[1].jpg

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ny3qaH4lRuk/S7oo_oxYwOI/AAAAAAAAAC0/CZ4dX0nPL4c/s1600/_MG_9977.jpg:small

PaddyJoe
12-04-2013, 09:42 PM
Sometimes you just have to laugh.

http://i45.tinypic.com/2zoyhjo.jpg

ang
12-04-2013, 10:22 PM
Here's that Russell Brand blog -


When I was a kid Margaret Thatcher was the headmistress of our country. Her voice, a bellicose yawn, somehow both boring and boring -- I could ignore the content but the intent drilled its way in. She became leader of the Conservatives the year I was born and prime minister when I was four; she remained in power till I was 15; I am, it's safe to say, one of Thatcher's children. How then do I feel on the day of this matriarchal mourning?


Thinking about it now, when I was a child she was just a strict woman telling everyone off and selling everything off. I didn't know what to think of this fearsome woman.

Perhaps my early apathy and indifference are a result of what Thatcher deliberately engendered, the idea that "there is no such thing as society," that we are alone on our journey through life, solitary atoms of consciousness.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russell-brand/margaret-thatcher-our-unm_b_3046390.html?utm_hp_ref=tw

Simonsays
12-04-2013, 10:54 PM
xz
I dont see what was wrong....thats what most people have thought at some stage...

It is very simple. When someone takes a job they sign a contract. Certain jobs, because of their sensitivity (police, prison officer, defence officer, etc) have either a total ban on participating in certain things, or a very strict limit. For example koining a political party is a sackable offence. In most countries a policeman, prison officer or defence officer who tweets or uses facebook is a sackable offence. In other police forces, people are allowed to tweet and post on facebook but cannot express any political opinion. The rule is there to stop police forces being dragged into divisive controversies on politics, religion or such matters.

His comment was well beyond what would be allowed by any police force in a democracy. It is nothing to do with who the comment was made about. (A policeman was sacked years ago for a verbal attack on Tony Benn also.) It is the basic rule that your contract makes it clear you cannot comment like that about anyone. If it was a less serious breach he probably would have gotten off with a suspension. But that was so far beyond the limit of what policeman can make that he knew himself he was going to be sacked for breach of contract and so he resigned. Resigning probably preserved some of his pension. If he had been sacked for 'gross misconduct' the pension would probably have been lost.

I have sympathy for him. It is very easy to go too far. I held a political appointment some years ago and got myself into trouble for something I posted on a website. Someone referred to something that was rumoured to have happened at a meeting. I was at that meeting and said that, explaining that no such thing occurred. The trouble was that I was explicitly not allowed to discuss anything at private meetings, even where I was actually defending someone. I got a warning but as luckily no-one on the website recognised the importance of what I had mentioned, and no journalist saw it, I got the proverbial rap on the knuckles and was told never to do it again. I had to quit the website.

So it is very easy in the heat of the moment to say something you know your job bans you from discussing. The best advice to police in general is not to tweet and not to use facebook. That way they avoid stumbling into things. But his comment was so bloody stupid for a serving policeman to make he probably was too stupid to be in the force anyway.

Dr. FIVE
12-04-2013, 11:07 PM
http://www.versobooks.com/system/images/2576/original/Miners-strike-007.jpg

Holly
12-04-2013, 11:12 PM
... It is very simple. When someone takes a job they sign a contract. Certain jobs, because of their sensitivity (police, prison officer, defence officer, etc) have either a total ban on participating in certain things, or a very strict limit.
No contract can take away a citizen's civil rights. The freedom of political speech is a civil right.


His comment was well beyond what would be allowed by any police force in a democracy.
The United States First Amendment guarantees the right of free speech.

Dr. FIVE
12-04-2013, 11:15 PM
What does the first amendment have to do with the MET police. England doesn't even have a constitution?

Shaadi
12-04-2013, 11:22 PM
Here's that Russell Brand blog -





http://www.huffingtonpost.com/russell-brand/margaret-thatcher-our-unm_b_3046390.html?utm_hp_ref=twHe's quite a talented writer, a top piece.

Holly
12-04-2013, 11:35 PM
What does the first amendment have to do with the MET police. England doesn't even have a constitution?
You wrote that no democracy would allow such free speech by a citizen who has a police job. The United States is a democracy. England is supposed to be a free country, including the right to express political opinion.

Simonsays
13-04-2013, 03:51 AM
You wrote that no democracy would allow such free speech by a citizen who has a police job. The United States is a democracy. England is supposed to be a free country, including the right to express political opinion.

There is no right to express a political opinion outside the ballot box when someone serves in civil services, police forces or defence forces. Welcome to the real world. The US constitution means nothing outside the US.

Sidewinder
13-04-2013, 04:18 AM
England is supposed to be a free country

Who on earth told you that particular fairytale?

Slim Buddha
13-04-2013, 04:59 AM
What does the first amendment have to do with the MET police. England doesn't even have a constitution?

"England" is part of a unitary political entity which includes Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. The United Kingdom does have a constitution, just not a written one.

Ephilant
13-04-2013, 10:29 AM
I can't help but wonder why this non-story is being whipped up into such a frenzy? What else is happening that needs attention diverted away from? Using the death of a devisive personality as M. Thatcher is of course the perfect occasion to create the diversion. While everybody is watching everybody, the real question to ask is "who or what is not being watched while all this is being rammed down our throats?"

Baron von Biffo
13-04-2013, 11:02 AM
The US constitution means nothing outside the US.

Nor inside the US either if it doesn't suit a president's agenda.

Andrew49
13-04-2013, 12:04 PM
There were an awful lot of people threatening to hold the mother and father of all parties when she finally checked out. So it'll be very interesting to see how the North of England celebrates the passing of someone they regarded in the same way that we think about Cromwell.

A year after she was nearly killed in the IRA's 1984 Brighton bomb, the then prime minister expressed dismay at Catholic opposition to British rule when they could follow the example of ancestors who were evicted from Ulster at the barrel of a Cromwellian gun in the 17th century. Lady Thatcher's extraordinary solution to the Troubles has been disclosed by her advisers at the time of the negotiations on the 1985 Anglo-Irish agreement. Sir David Goodall, then a diplomat who was one of the most senior British officials negotiating with the Irish government, told a BBC four-part documentary, Endgame in Ireland, that Lady Thatcher made the
"outrageous" proposal during a late night conversation at Chequers.


"She said, if the northern [Catholic] population want to be in the south, well why don't they move over there? After all, there was a big movement of population in Ireland, wasn't there?
"Nobody could think what it was. So finally I said, are you talking about Cromwell, prime minister? She said, that's right, Cromwell."

UK Guardian (http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/jun/16/northernireland.catholicism)

Slim Buddha
13-04-2013, 02:13 PM
A year after she was nearly killed in the IRA's 1984 Brighton bomb, the then prime minister expressed dismay at Catholic opposition to British rule when they could follow the example of ancestors who were evicted from Ulster at the barrel of a Cromwellian gun in the 17th century. Lady Thatcher's extraordinary solution to the Troubles has been disclosed by her advisers at the time of the negotiations on the 1985 Anglo-Irish agreement. Sir David Goodall, then a diplomat who was one of the most senior British officials negotiating with the Irish government, told a BBC four-part documentary, Endgame in Ireland, that Lady Thatcher made the proposal during a late night conversation at Chequers.

UK Guardian (http://m.guardian.co.uk/uk/2001/jun/16/northernireland.catholicism)

She didn´t seem to consider the repatriation of the settlers back to Scotland??

Saoirse go Deo
13-04-2013, 02:43 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLbFWivsfFE

Holly
13-04-2013, 03:26 PM
There is no right to express a political opinion outside the ballot box when someone serves in civil services, police forces or defence forces. Welcome to the real world. The US constitution means nothing outside the US.
You might find a court of law would not agree with your opinion that citizens cannot express political opinions, even in England.

Dr. FIVE
14-04-2013, 12:39 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fobFWNuNJR0

Dr. FIVE
14-04-2013, 12:51 AM
Scotland Yard has already asked protesters planning to turn their backs on the coffin as the funeral carriage passes to let them know in advance

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/13/dont-upset-margaret-thatcher-mourners

PaddyJoe
14-04-2013, 01:07 AM
The good old days when Mark was organising coups...

Margaret Thatcher (http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/margaretthatcher) approved of a failed attempt to use an army of mercenaries to overthrow the president of Equatorial Guinea (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/jun/17/internationalcrime.zimbabwe), according to the unpublished memoirs of the chief protagonist of the bid, former SAS officer Simon Mann (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/may/09/equatorialguinea.world).The former prime minister, whose son, Sir Mark, was convicted in a South African court (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/nov/18/equatorialguinea) of involvement in the attempted 2004 coup, allegedly told Mann at a meeting at her Belgravia home: "I'm sure it's going to work".
It is claimed that Thatcher likened the need for radical change in the oil-richEquatorial Guinea (http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/equatorial-guinea) to the way London's Docklands had been redeveloped during the 1980s.
She is also alleged to have encouraged Mann to talk to a group seeking to overthrow the then president of Venezuela, Hugo Chávez, with the words: "We must always look after our friends, Simon … as I'm sure you know."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/14/thatcher-knew-of-equatorial-giunea-coup-attempt

PaddyJoe
14-04-2013, 02:05 AM
Ruari Quinn drew the short straw..

✒While we're on the subject, how come her son Mark said she would have been "humbled" by the Queen turning up at her funeral? How has this useful word come to mean "proud", as in "I am humbled by the honour you have bestowed upon me." We shall have to replace it with "humiliated", as in "I was humiliated to learn that Mark Thatcher would be coming to my funeral." (My colleague Ian Prior points out that the Irish government is sending the education minister on Wednesday. "As snubs go, he might as well be wearing a party hat.")
http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2013/apr/12/simon-hoggart

RahenyFG II
14-04-2013, 10:12 AM
It will be interesting to see where Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead comes in the UK Charts today. I hope for a number one but according to estimates from the Official Charts Company it will be at number three.

morticia
14-04-2013, 07:49 PM
What does the first amendment have to do with the MET police. England doesn't even have a constitution?

The UK is, as far as I am aware, a constitutional monarchy without a written constitution. It's all based on legal precedent. Having said that, there is a bit of a tradition in the Anglozone to respect the better bits of the US constitution; the right to free speech may be somewhere in some UK legal precedent or in some Euro legislation or other. However, it is ignored when it suits, too. And there's all sorts of defamation and libel laws that muddy the waters

Slim Buddha
14-04-2013, 08:46 PM
The UK is, as far as I am aware, a constitutional monarchy without a written constitution. It's all based on legal precedent. Having said that, there is a bit of a tradition in the Anglozone to respect the better bits of the US constitution; the right to free speech may be somewhere in some UK legal precedent or in some Euro legislation or other. However, it is ignored when it suits, too. And there's all sorts of defamation and libel laws that muddy the waters

A lot of which we inherited, unfortunately.

Mick Tully
14-04-2013, 10:45 PM
It will be interesting to see where Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead comes in the UK Charts today. I hope for a number one but according to estimates from the Official Charts Company it will be at number three.

2

Andrew49
15-04-2013, 08:42 AM
http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/theknitter/TRULYtory_zpsd3b3e444.png

It's the re-writing of Thatcher's history - by the Tories - that is quite hilarious. They stabbed her in the back we mustn't forget.

Dr. FIVE
15-04-2013, 02:34 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/69350620f37ee14427fbc12e4bf80df6/tumblr_mlavzkkJdB1qfw98uo1_500.png

Baron von Biffo
15-04-2013, 02:36 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/69350620f37ee14427fbc12e4bf80df6/tumblr_mlavzkkJdB1qfw98uo1_500.png

Illiterate and ignorant. A fitting monument to his heroine.

C. Flower
15-04-2013, 02:48 PM
Hilarious :)

Make the world safe for Thatcherism !!! :eek:

Slim Buddha
15-04-2013, 04:44 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/69350620f37ee14427fbc12e4bf80df6/tumblr_mlavzkkJdB1qfw98uo1_500.png

Why change the name? It is so fitting! I wonder do they sing the "Horst Wessel" at the end of meetings?

Andrew49
15-04-2013, 05:15 PM
http://25.media.tumblr.com/69350620f37ee14427fbc12e4bf80df6/tumblr_mlavzkkJdB1qfw98uo1_500.png

The Group has been renamed to: Children of the Damned (Thatcher)

Slim Buddha
16-04-2013, 04:15 AM
We have had, thanks to the British press, countless flashbacks to the Eighties and Thatcher´s Britain with tributes from all quarters to the Iron Lady. Even Millwall and Newcastle fans provided some Thatcher-era "old school" football hooliganism in their own unique tribute. The sooner she is buried,the better.

C. Flower
16-04-2013, 06:41 AM
We have had, thanks to the British press, countless flashbacks to the Eighties and Thatcher´s Britain with tributes from all quarters to the Iron Lady. Even Millwall and Newcastle fans provided some Thatcher-era "old school" football hooliganism in their own unique tribute. The sooner she is buried,the better.

RTE ran a relentlessly obsequious and fawning hour long tv tribute last night, in Irish, lol, which she probably considered to be a lesser form of communication that the grunt of a passing warthog.

A lot on twitter at the moment about the clamp down on protest and dissent, with dawn raids expected for the morning of the funeral.
Anyone planning to turn their back on the cortege had better sleep away from home.

Slim Buddha
16-04-2013, 06:48 AM
RTE ran a relentlessly obsequious and fawning hour long tv tribute last night, in Irish, lol, which she probably considered to be a lesser form of communication that the grunt of a passing warthog.

A lot on twitter at the moment about the clamp down on protest and dissent, with dawn raids expected for the morning of the funeral.
Anyone planning to turn their back on the cortege had better sleep away from home.

RTE is merely reflecting the governments stand on such things: Obsequiousness, forelock-tugging, ass licking, fawning and a floor-scraping willingness to be general toerag to what they perceive as their betters is the main characteristic of this government so it is hardly surprising that RTE reflects this.

fluffybiscuits
16-04-2013, 10:29 AM
Social media keen on reminding us in the run up to the funeral that she is someones mother...blah blah blah...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/15/lady-thatcher-funeral-arrangements-criticised

The funeral has drawn criticism for its large military presence, 700 soldiers....:rolleyes:

Kev Bar
16-04-2013, 02:18 PM
Words on Thatcher

Woke up and there they were
Words
Wiggly weasely wondrous words
All with loads to say
Never a dull moment with words
Never stuck for a curse with words
Never short of a laugh with words
Fall in love with words
Let the hate roll with words
Whisper sweet nothing with words
When the show gets really desperate, pray with words
Apologise for all you have done wrong with words
Forgive me forgive me forgive me
Forgive me with words.
But we won't forgive her with words.
We'll tell that dead Baroness all she did wrong.
With words.
She'll get no no no eulogy out of me.
With words.
Instead I'll go write a song.
With words.
I'll tramp the dirt down
Just like Elvis said
With words
I'll let fawning funeral generals know that they are just puffed up poppycocks
With words
I'll reopen the pits.
With words.
I'll give everyone their job back.
With words.
I'll refuse to take part in her dog eat dog world.
With words.
Darwinian silverback penny-pinched limited.
That woman's an ape.
May she be for hunting.
By Hutu Interahamwe.
And I mean that.
I Mean It With Words

Glorious words

Society's
YEP I'll say it again
Society's Affable Handymen

Words

And all that you are deaf to

Maggie

Words

5intheface
16-04-2013, 05:48 PM
Words on Thatcher

Woke up and there they were
Words
Wiggly weasely wondrous words
All with loads to say
Never a dull moment with words
Never stuck for a curse with words
Never short of a laugh with words
Fall in love with words
Let the hate roll with words
Whisper sweet nothing with words
When the show gets really desperate, pray with words
Apologise for all you have done wrong with words
Forgive me forgive me forgive me
Forgive me with words.
But we won't forgive her with words.
We'll tell that dead Baroness all she did wrong.
With words.
She'll get no no no eulogy out of me.
With words.
Instead I'll go write a song.
With words.
I'll tramp the dirt down
Just like Elvis said
With words
I'll let fawning funeral generals know that they are just puffed up poppycocks
With words
I'll reopen the pits.
With words.
I'll give everyone their job back.
With words.
I'll refuse to take part in her dog eat dog world.
With words.
Darwinian silverback penny-pinched limited.
That woman's an ape.
May she be for hunting.
By Hutu Interahamwe.
And I mean that.
I Mean It With Words

Glorious words

Society's
YEP I'll say it again
Society's Affable Handymen

Words

And all that you are deaf to

Maggie

Words

Poetic gun license, love it.

DCon
17-04-2013, 11:56 AM
Allegedly a dancing Irish priest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=SoJa15eAYQU

Kev Bar
17-04-2013, 12:57 PM
Allegedly a dancing Irish priest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=SoJa15eAYQU

Perfection.
You can take away our society but you'll never get our mad men.

Baron von Biffo
17-04-2013, 01:03 PM
Perfection.
You can take away our society but you'll never get our mad men.

He could be mindful though, that the old dictum about women over forty and skirts above the knee goes double for men.

Simonsays
17-04-2013, 04:44 PM
It was surprising how few actually protested. The protests were tiny and drowned out by cheering and applause. The overall turnout was also much bigger than expected.

That all surprised me.

C. Flower
17-04-2013, 04:52 PM
It was surprising how few actually protested. The protests were tiny and drowned out by cheering and applause. The overall turnout was also much bigger than expected.

That all surprised me.

Your font has shrunk.

RTE just reported a low turnout and combined booing and cheering.

What was your source?

Kev Bar
17-04-2013, 05:17 PM
He could be mindful though, that the old dictum about women over forty and skirts above the knee goes double for men.

Indeed.
But give me my sociopaths bonkers rather than commanding armies.

Simonsays
17-04-2013, 05:38 PM
Your font has shrunk.

RTE just reported a low turnout and combined booing and cheering.

What was your source?

RTÉ needs to go to specsavers if it said that. The coverage at the time and in all media outlets since have talked about the surprisingly large crowds - ten deep in places. There was one incident reported of booing, involving around 100 people close to the cathedral.

The Guardian reported


As the numbers outside St Paul's swelled throughout the morning, protesters were thin on the ground. Most were there to pay tribute, and some had travelled from afar.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/17/margaret-thatcher-funeral-crowds

Personally I had expected a lot fewer to turn out and a lot more of those who did to oppose her. The news clips of the 100 who booed and turned their back showed them to be small section of a much larger crowd, with the others around them applauding her.

Simonsays
17-04-2013, 05:40 PM
Your font has shrunk.

Just testing out the other fonts that are available in the bar. The size is the same as the default.

Hapax
17-04-2013, 05:43 PM
Personally I had expected a lot fewer to turn out and a lot more of those who did to oppose her. The news clips of the 100 who booed and turned their back showed them to be small section of a much larger crowd, with the others around them applauding her.

The BBC live blog from the funeral commented at one point that there were people turning their backs, right enough, but that it was difficult to make them out in the crowd.

Simonsays
17-04-2013, 05:52 PM
The BBC live blog from the funeral commented at one point that there were people turning their backs, right enough, but that it was difficult to make them out in the crowd.


The BBC Six O'Clock News had a clip though again it was hard to make them out in the crowd. They effectively focused in on the location they were at, but most of those on the screen weren't turning their backs and most were clapping when the coffin went by.

fluffybiscuits
18-04-2013, 01:38 PM
Now for an article to all get your knickers in a twist? Was Maggie a feminist icon do you think? These lot think she is http://cognoscenti.wbur.org/2013/04/17/thatcher-funeral-lean-in-linda-bilmes with her nice smile and her ability to out fox the lads . Stop and read it for a second and then ponder, was Maggie underneath it all a man hater of sorts? It is claimed that she said that men in her cabinet : "One thing that politics has taught me,” she said, “is that men are not a reasoned or reasonable sex". Tatcher sold herself out and became those whom she had despised, she became a member of the male dominated establishment that pervaded at the time .

C. Flower
18-04-2013, 03:41 PM
Street parties in Derry and Belfast to mark Thatcher's funeral.

If she did one thing for us, it was giving us that happy day.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/crowds-gather-in-derry-and-belfast-to-mark-funeral-of-margaret-thatcher-29204182.html

fluffybiscuits
18-04-2013, 03:45 PM
Street parties in Derry and Belfast to mark Thatcher's funeral.

If she did one thing for us, it was giving us that happy day.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/northern-ireland/crowds-gather-in-derry-and-belfast-to-mark-funeral-of-margaret-thatcher-29204182.html

I agree *hic*...

Dr. FIVE
19-04-2013, 06:26 PM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BIDh98aCUAALhsQ.jpg

5intheface
19-04-2013, 10:01 PM
Just a wee historical aside connected to the story.

Yesterday saw the sad passing of Magherafelt Undertaker Tommy McCusker who undertook the arrangements for the burial of the two Bellaghy Hunger Strikers.

Tommy was a quiet, dignified and very well considered gent long before and long after he earned wider respect for refusing to hand over the keys of his hearse containing the body of Francis Hughes, to the RUC. At one stage, he put the key of the vehicle in his mouth and threatened to swallow it rather than surrender his charge.

He ran the gauntlet of military, police and civilian abuse on the journey to the wake house, some of which was caught on camera by an American Television crew.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDLKT_j5uaw

Tommy is the second man being assaulted in the clip.

I know who the people of South Derry will be mourning this week, a man with more courage, decency, modesty and humanity in his little finger than Thatcher had in her entire body.

Mick Tully
19-04-2013, 10:08 PM
If it wasn't for the military and the old right wingers that were invited, the people that attended the carnival would not have been much more than old fuzzy heads in Shankill.

Slim Buddha
21-04-2013, 07:31 AM
I expected some fawning tosh from the usual suspects in our primary unionist publication but Ruth Dudley Edwardes`attack on our First Citizen is truly nauseating.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/ruth-dudley-edwards/our-president-betrays-his-leftie-leanings-29194799.html

Stomach-churning, revolting drivel.

Eoghan "Goal" Harris gets his oar in with a "revisionist" piece attacking SF in his hagiographical piece.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/eoghan-harris/thatcher-deserved-respect-for-courage-in-face-of-adversity-29194802.html


Interesting that neither of these lickspittle scribblers mention General Augusto Pinochet.

Ceannaire
21-04-2013, 09:22 AM
I expected some fawning tosh from the usual suspects in our primary unionist publication but Ruth Dudley Edwardes`attack on our First Citizen is truly nauseating.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/ruth-dudley-edwards/our-president-betrays-his-leftie-leanings-29194799.html

Stomach-churning, revolting drivel.

Eoghan "Goal" Harris gets his oar in with a "revisionist" piece attacking SF in his hagiographical piece.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/eoghan-harris/thatcher-deserved-respect-for-courage-in-face-of-adversity-29194802.html


Interesting that neither of these lickspittle scribblers mention General Augusto Pinochet.


When you're talking about an Eoghan Harris article, you don't even need to say that...

PaddyJoe
16-09-2014, 08:41 PM
Fair play to the Spanish PP. Nothing if not predictable. They've just renamed a square in Madrid.


http://i57.tinypic.com/5we0xf.jpg

morticia
16-09-2014, 08:54 PM
Fair play to the Spanish PP. Nothing if not predictable. They've just renamed a square in Madrid.

I feel nauseous...

pluralist
07-03-2015, 09:27 PM
We now know Thatcher was warned that Sir Peter Hayman, Peter Morrison & Cyril Smith were paedophiles...and chose to do nothing. Only one of those people was even a member of her party!

rebellin
08-03-2015, 06:13 PM
We now know Thatcher was warned that Sir Peter Hayman, Peter Morrison & Cyril Smith were paedophiles...and chose to do nothing. Only one of those people was even a member of her party!

Here is the very widely read online Daily Beast report http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/06/britain-s-horrific-vip-pedophile-cover-up.html

C. Flower
08-03-2015, 06:46 PM
Here is the very widely read online Daily Beast report http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/03/06/britain-s-horrific-vip-pedophile-cover-up.html

Utterly appalling.

pluralist
08-03-2015, 08:43 PM
So there we have it. Thatcher - hated working class, unions, Irish/Welsh/Scots nationalism, & creative manufacturing industry.

- loved bankers, spivs, hucksters, scabs & paedophiles.

pluralist
10-10-2015, 01:02 AM
Officials influenced Thatcher on Anglo-Irish Agreement
Former prime minister felt motherly towards Garret Fitzgerald, biography reveals

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/officials-influenced-thatcher-on-anglo-irish-agreement-1.2386088

Sidewinder
10-10-2015, 01:09 AM
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/officials-influenced-thatcher-on-anglo-irish-agreement-1.2386088

I just came here to post that same article.

What I found hilarious was that even the best pro-unionist spinning efforts of the Oirish Toimes just can't hide the fact, that bleeds through in nearly every line, that the woman really was a batch1t-insane feckin lunatic of the highest order.

pluralist
10-10-2015, 01:19 AM
I just came here to post that same article.

What I found hilarious was that even the best pro-unionist spinning efforts of the Oirish Toimes just can't hide the fact, that bleeds through in nearly every line, that the woman really was a batch1t-insane feckin lunatic of the highest order.

Lol. True. But it also indicates that there were some somewhat sane people around her who stopped her doing some really bats.hit insane stuff (even more insane than the stuff she was allowed to do) that she wanted to. "Iron Lady" my arse....