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C. Flower
03-03-2013, 01:12 PM
http://ukhumanrightsblog.com/2013/03/03/what-would-happen-if-the-uk-withdrew-from-the-european-court-of-human-rights/


Withdrawal from Strasbourg is unlikely to make it easier to send foreign criminals back to their home states, particularly if they are facing torture. Given that is the case, the stated justification for withdrawal falls away. What is left? That is ultimately for the electorate to decide, but an inchoate fear of European influence, an obsession with the expulsion of foreigners and the rise of UKIP, are certainly good candidates.

and is putting "Secret Trials" legislation on its statute books that has been compared to the conditions described in Kafka's "The Trial."

http://ukhumanrightsblog.com/2013/03/03/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-secret-trials-coming-to-a-courtroom-near-you-angela-patrick/


While the press (and the rest of us) were preoccupied by the debate on equal marriage and the public dissection of the Huhne marriage, the Justice and Security Bill completed its next stage of passage through the Parliamentary process. Largely unwatched, a slim majority of Conservative members supported by Ian Paisley Jr., reversed each change made to the Bill by the House of Lords restoring the Government’s original vision: a brave new world where secret pleadings, hearings and judgments become the norm when a Minister claims national security may be harmed in civil litigation.

Under pressure from UKIP, the Tory Party is moving to the right and the long slow slide of erosion of civil rights in the UK, started under Thatcher and continued under Major and Blair, is intensifying.

As it becomes more indebted, and less internationally influential, the U. K. is becoming increasingly militarised, with increasingly limited civil rights.

fluffybiscuits
03-03-2013, 05:39 PM
All the ingredients for a Wikileaks Mark ii on the basis that some evidence may become closed . Workers or people within the organisation could leak the info and make it null and void.

RahenyFG II
03-03-2013, 10:04 PM
http://ukhumanrightsblog.com/2013/03/03/what-would-happen-if-the-uk-withdrew-from-the-european-court-of-human-rights/



and is putting "Secret Trials" legislation on its statute books that has been compared to the conditions described in Kafka's "The Trial."

http://ukhumanrightsblog.com/2013/03/03/everything-you-need-to-know-about-the-secret-trials-coming-to-a-courtroom-near-you-angela-patrick/



Under pressure from UKIP, the Tory Party is moving to the right and the long slow slide of erosion of civil rights in the UK, started under Thatcher and continued under Major and Blair, is intensifying.

As it becomes more indebted, and less internationally influential, the U. K. is becoming increasingly militarised, with increasingly limited civil rights.

Great so maybe the death penalty might be re-introduced in the UK. A majority according to polls there want it back
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-14402195

Simonsays
04-03-2013, 01:03 AM
This sort of phoney BS just irritates me.

There not the slightest chance in hell of they withdrawing. It is just typical phoney grandstanding. I know dealing with voters can be headwrecking. So many voters are two-faced shyts. But playing along with that by promising things that will never be implemented is pointless. It is about time politicians stood up and had the balls to say to voters "no. We will not do that" when they no full well that they will not be doing it. But instead they play word games and pretend they will do things they never have any intention of doing.

Withdrawing from the ECHR is a non-starter, and the Tories know it. It would be incompatible with being in the Council of Europe. It would disqualify Britain from being in the EU or almost any international body, would put the UK outside all human rights protections in Europe and would leave it alongside the brutal dictatorship in Belarus as the only state not to obey the ECHR and would entirely undermine UK foreign policy commitments on human rights internationally - it could not raise issues to do with human rights anywhere else having abandoned mandatory human rights obligations that apply to all in Europe.

The Tories got a fright from UKIP in the election so to answer it they are spoofing any old nonsense. And after the election, if they win, which is unlikely, they will simply say, as politicians invariably do 'oops. Sorry. It seems we can't do that after all.'

fluffybiscuits
04-03-2013, 02:38 PM
This sort of phoney BS just irritates me.

There not the slightest chance in hell of they withdrawing. It is just typical phoney grandstanding. I know dealing with voters can be headwrecking. So many voters are two-faced shyts. But playing along with that by promising things that will never be implemented is pointless. It is about time politicians stood up and had the balls to say to voters "no. We will not do that" when they no full well that they will not be doing it. But instead they play word games and pretend they will do things they never have any intention of doing.

Withdrawing from the ECHR is a non-starter, and the Tories know it. It would be incompatible with being in the Council of Europe. It would disqualify Britain from being in the EU or almost any international body, would put the UK outside all human rights protections in Europe and would leave it alongside the brutal dictatorship in Belarus as the only state not to obey the ECHR and would entirely undermine UK foreign policy commitments on human rights internationally - it could not raise issues to do with human rights anywhere else having abandoned mandatory human rights obligations that apply to all in Europe.

The Tories got a fright from UKIP in the election so to answer it they are spoofing any old nonsense. And after the election, if they win, which is unlikely, they will simply say, as politicians invariably do 'oops. Sorry. It seems we can't do that after all.'

UKIP has over taken the Lib Dems as the third largest party now and are snapping at the heals of Labour and soon the Torys. Grandstanding to the extreme this was, you are right in your analysis they are posturing to show off as they know that there would be a case against them if they did. Also it would be a massive case of hypocrisy, a country like UK with its imperialist ambitions that tells others how to live their lives with rights and yet they would be withdrawing from the ECHR!! Its all just huffing and puffing to keep the voters from UKIP!