The Way Out

[C. Flower]

Two bannings, but only one poster...

*******and Mark Lenard / cyp.

[Almanac]

Two bannings, but only one poster...

*******and Mark Lenard / cyp.

What do you mean?

[C. Flower]

What do you mean?

One poster, already banned in Tok!, had reregistered under two identities. It's a banning offence.

I do hope there's only one of you, Almanac :)

[Almanac]

One poster, already banned in Tok!, had reregistered under two identities. It's a banning offence.

I do hope there's only one of you, Almanac :)

Didn't notice ******. Why was cyp banned from Tok?

[C. Flower]

Didn't notice Musasi. Why was cyp banned from Tok?

Sub judice :)

Neither did I. ******* had been here for some time. One account should be enough for anyone.

[Almanac]

One account should be enough for anyone.

Yeah, of course!

I'll close down my C Flower one immediately.

[C. Flower]

Yeah, of course!

I'll close down my C Flower one immediately.

Ooooops! :o

[Almanac]

BTW, is tok the same forum that was founded by Mr Crowley et al upon departure from p.ie?

[5intheface]

BTW, is tok the same forum that was founded by Mr Crowley et al upon departure from p.ie?

No that was irishrealpolitik

[C. Flower]

This is Tok!
http://www.hostingphpbb.com/forum/index.php?mforum=tok

You can still join if you like but its very quiet over there...
We're trying to bring the threads over here. A couple have been brought by hand.

There is a blog called Tok Blog that is still up and running - there's a link to it in the navbar.

[Almanac]

No that was irishrealpolitik

Where are they now?

[5intheface]

Where are they now?

It closed after a couple of months, I'm fairly sure a few of them are here now too.

[Summerday Sands]

I agree about the one account policy, P.ie is a nest of dormant accounts for Trolls to fall back on. It's infuriating.

[C. Flower]

I agree about the one account policy, P.ie is a nest of dormant accounts for Trolls to fall back on. It's infuriating.

Yes and its not really necessary. After all, you can only write one post at a time at a time at a time :):o:p

[malbekh]

Cactus, how are you going to identify trolls or repeat offenders when as PK has pointed out, you can use multiple IP addresses?

Straight question, no angles...

[5intheface]

A ***** can be spotted a mile away. cYp is not welcome here and can be seen a mile away.

Particularly easy to spot when he signs his posts. :)

http://www.politicalworld.org/showpost.php?p=1467&postcount=34

[malbekh]

Particularly easy to spot when he signs his posts. :)

http://www.politicalworld.org/showpost.php?p=1467&postcount=34

Bit strange that? I know smart people can make spectacularly dumb mistakes, but that looks deliberate. Anyway, I'm not keen on debating anyone's merit behind their (banned) backs.

What I'm getting at, is that as the forum grows in popularity it will get harder to weed out trolls and onlookers. 'They' are having a debate on this topic now, I'm just curious as to what steps are being taken that ensure we don't head in the same direction.

[mutley]

Bit strange that? I know smart people can make spectacularly dumb mistakes, but that looks deliberate. Anyway, I'm not keen on debating anyone's merit behind their (banned) backs.

What I'm getting at, is that as the forum grows in popularity it will get harder to weed out trolls and onlookers. 'They' are having a debate on this topic now, I'm just curious as to what steps are being taken that ensure we don't head in the same direction.

I would not call it a debate, malbekh, the problems have been discussed to death over there and nothing changes.

This first step being taken here, is that the playing field is level, all members treated the same. This lessons people's sence of injustice and would make them less likely to have a site wrecking agenda.
The second step here is that there is ball, not man playing.
These steps seem to be organic, with everyone arriving over here buying into the ethos of the site.

[malbekh]

@ mutley Agreed and understood. I just see big craters ahead.

[5intheface]

Bit strange that? I know smart people can make spectacularly dumb mistakes, but that looks deliberate. Anyway, I'm not keen on debating anyone's merit behind their (banned) backs.

What I'm getting at, is that as the forum grows in popularity it will get harder to weed out trolls and onlookers. 'They' are having a debate on this topic now, I'm just curious as to what steps are being taken that ensure we don't head in the same direction.

I have to admit that I have no idea as to how you spot/stop it other than the trolling nature of individual posts. I would say if Cactus chose to ban someone who registered twice then that's completely understandable given how she was treated in the past.

Personally I really like the way this forum is shaping up and happy to concentrate on contributing to its, hopefully, further growth.

[malbekh]

It could be Cockers, on his twitter he said he was moving in with his other half.

Shouldn't that be in this section (http://www.politicalworld.org/showthread.php?t=114)?

[C. Flower]

Very helpful discussion. The first thing I'd say is the situation of serious trolling is not normal on forums. I did a lot of research in setting up this site. Most sites don't have it going on. I would say the reasons for that is that they have a sound site ethos of fairness and equality, as mutley says, and also (this being part of the ethos) that basic and normal forum rules are applied promptly to protect a good posting atmosphere.

We're living in serious times, and forums can't change the world but they are a place for testing out ideas in conditions that don't exist off-line - a lot of people with diverging ideas can meet and debate constructively. If we keep it like that, very few trolls will be interested, and those that are the membership will heave out.

[malbekh]

It would explain a lot.


I knew I was faulty....

[C. Flower]

This stuff belongs in the off-topic section of Off-topic, if anywhere at all...

[Iarmhi Gael]

Without been drawn between a war between this site and any others, I think there is room for all sites - between boards.ie and others...

All sites need to stay fresh and transparent

[moss]

Without been drawn between a war between this site and any others, I think there is room for all sites - between boards.ie and others...

All sites need to stay fresh and transparent

I doubt anyone here would argue with that Iarmhi.

[C. Flower]

Absolutely right Iarmi Gael. I started this site with an idea of a site that is very different to the other sites around. I think we'll get there.
If there is too much overspill from anywhere else though, I will lock threads, as is the normal practice on any forum.

[5intheface]

Let's be honest, when we say 'other sites/fora' we mean p.ie. Is itcensorship to ask that we avoid long drawn out threads relating to it or keep it in the sibín, pms or private groups? We have all seen the unpleasantness which can result, some of us are guilty as hell in that regard. :o

I'm not meaning casual remarks should result in bannings but if we wanted to talk about p.ie we'd go there.

[C. Flower]

Most people who join here will never have heard of P.ie and think you are a cranky old bunch ......

:(:eek::mad:

A shower, a nap and a cuppa tea will cure most of it.

[Iarmhi Gael]

Let's be honest, when we say 'other sites/fora' we mean p.ie. Is itcensorship to ask that we avoid long drawn out threads relating to it or keep it in the sibín, pms or private groups? We have all seen the unpleasantness which can result, some of us are guilty as hell in that regard. :o

I'm not meaning casual remarks should result in bannings but if we wanted to talk about p.ie we'd go there.

Nah - Alot of sites out there. I'm a member of alot of political websites in ireland and UK...

P.ie is a good site - But has alot of flaws. If that is the benchmark for some of you - go for it

Allow this site to grow - But don't get pulled into a war with another site whose out there and established...

Lesson one in "site club" - Never speak bad of the competitors

[C. Flower]

Upon which wise words I will lock this thread. Matters to do with other sites, you can take to those sites.
Happy posting, wherever you do it.

[C. Flower]

Musashi is back with us, without a stain of any kind on the character.

A case of mistaken identity.

[C. Flower]

In the interests of transparency, the policy here is to report all bannings to members. David Cochrane was just banned: reason - Reciprocity. It seems an odd sense of humour to apply to join a forum run by someone one is currently banning from one's own.

No particular animus against David, if he wishes to discuss, he has my email address.

[C. Flower]

Mod notice.

A poster called Serendipity was banned yesterday for being a spam bot:

0 posts since joining - proxy IP and complaints from users that they were being spammed. Serendipity didn't reply to my pms and has not tried to make contact since banning.

[C. Flower]

I found it but it's now locked.
I'm curious about Serendipity. You said he/she didn't post and thats was partly why because you banned him/her.
It was yesterday 18 March, I got a P.M from Seredipity simply saying "Hi I'm new here, etc." yet the banning came in the same evening. Hardly time to pst anything.
No spamming, simply a signature leading to some Buddhist melarkey, but hey!
Pretty harsh banning with no warnings.
Is there more to this than meets the eye?

No. Serendipity joined well before the 18th, was not posting, spammed (same post to several members), wouldn't reply to my pms, and was using a proxy.

http://www.politicalworld.org/images/misc/progress.gif

[mutley]

Mod notice.

A poster called Serendipity was banned yesterday for being a spam bot:

0 posts since joining - proxy IP and complaints from users that they were being spammed. Serendipity didn't reply to my pms and has not tried to make contact since banning.

One of the most infuriating things about p.ie was people getting banned with no warning and little explanation, but I noticed that you said you had pm'd him a few times with no reply, so it seems fair to me





You have me curious truth.
No need for cactus to explain further but I'd be interested if information was forthcoming.
Spamming in what way for example ?
Why was I left out with the spamming ?
Does serendipity not like me ?
Am I a lost Buddist cause ?


Me neither :)

[Lapsedmethodist]

In the interests of transparency, the policy here is to report all bannings to members. David Cochrane was just banned: reason - Reciprocity. It seems an odd sense of humour to apply to join a forum run by someone one is currently banning from one's own.

No particular animus against David, if he wishes to discuss, he has my email address.

I just noticed this. I thought that this site was supposed to be above all that?:eek:

[moss]

Me neither :)


In that case serendipity deserved be banned for having poor taste :)
The buddist cun....

[moss]

I just noticed this. I thought that this site was supposed to be above all that?:eek:

You're lapsed. Screw that turn the other cheek crap.
Slap me and expect a slap back :)

[C. Flower]

Good fences make good neighbours :)

[Cáthasaigh]

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51GfCkA2ykL._SL500_AA240_.jpg

[Lapsedmethodist]

You're lapsed. Screw that turn the other cheek crap.
Slap me and expect a slap back :)

"Why can't we all just get along ?"
Rodney King.

[People Korps]

I just noticed this. I thought that this site was supposed to be above all that?:eek:

Spam is not tolerated and no one needs cookie and dc here, unless several dozen of us get some apologies

other than that the site is above all that.
Howver there is talk of culling members who dont post as they have members privilages eg seeing this thread but dont participate
one post is enough
to qualify to stay
0 posts after weeks is a bit odd

they never even said hello

[moss]

"Why can't we all just get along ?"
Rodney King.

We can. But one good slap deserves a return.
I think that was the end of it and cactus offered an e mail addy as a hand of friendship.
Most here have no issue with pie. It's a lesser place without us and has given birth to a friendlier more tolerant home :)

[Lapsedmethodist]

We can. But one good slap deserves a return.
I think that was the end of it and cactus offered an e mail addy as a hand of friendship.
Most here have no issue with pie. It's a lesser place without us and has given birth to a friendlier more tolerant home :)

Amen to that.

Wait.....!

[C. Flower]

What I wan't to do here is have a site where people can post without being knee-deep in spammers and where members are treated with respect.

We have a very short list of rules to help that along.

I expect you are all familiar with them :)

http://www.politicalworld.org/showthread.php?t=9

[People Korps]

i am an anarchist i rely on natural balance :)

[moss]

i am an anarchist i rely on natural balance :)

Anarchy and karma I find is a good mix :)

[Stendec]

Two bannings, but only one poster...

Musashi and Mark Lenard / cyp.

Ha! cryberianpan banned! good enough for him!!

[musashi]

Howver there is talk of culling members who dont post as they have members privilages eg seeing this thread but dont participate
one post is enough
to qualify to stay
0 posts after weeks is a bit odd

they never even said hello

The splitters :D

[Tok]

Matters to do with other sites, you can take to those sites.
Happy posting, wherever you do it.

Time to lock the Way Out again. I'd hate to see anyone slip out through it accidentally.

[C. Flower]

A few new registrations deemed socks were evicted via the way out yesterday. If anyone feels that they were unjustly evicted, please contact me by pm or email.

[C. Flower]

Update on bannings and other account changes.

RighteousAnger was banned a bit over a week ago for breach of site rules on race hate posting and abuse.

Digout's account was disabled due to an incident of an incorrect posting that was not retracted (following warnings). I subsequently posted a correction myself.

[C. Flower]

MMFF banned for obvious reasons. Apologies to any members here inconvenienced by this person whose presence here was clearly malicious.
The delay in banning was due to a technical issue only.

[C. Flower]

HAMZA1234 was banned soon after arriving. As he/she was advertising London office space in his/her sig, I've forwarded on a bill for one day's lease of an account at Political World :)

[C. Flower]

AsylumKnight made it through one post. I'll leave his "Arabs Did 9/11" thread up for its value of a specimen of something that hasn't been seen much since Germany in the 30s.

[C. Flower]

There have been a number of bannings of spammer accounts that have been IP banned.

People Korps is at present banned due to his having made an unsubstantiated allegation against another member.

[C. Flower]

gerardfromdonegal's account has been closed pending assurances that he will not spam the board with repeat postings.

Lifeisagame's account has been closed due to posts that very seriously breached site rules.

[C. Flower]

moss and digout are currently outside these walls.

[C. Flower]

Voodou has been banned after a large number of warnings with regard to breach of Terms of Use of the forum: in particular by abusive postings.

moss has returned.

[C. Flower]

moss has been permanently banned after repeatedly breaking site rules on abusive posting.

politico, who was Voodoou, has been banned.

We have passed 50 bannings at this stage, I've just counted the notches in the doorpost.

[Mod3]

Taxationistheft has been sent to the naughty chair for a while for persistent violation of site rules regarding racist and abusive posting.

[Mod5]

Gruffalo and Youngdan have both been given 24hrs in the cooler fo "man not ball" posting.

[C. Flower]

Just an update on exits - LapsedMethodist is absent this week. Youndan, ditto.
Ant-Coalition received an automatic banning, due to posts that breached Site Rules in a "Banning" category. SirCharles was also asked to leave.

Some people are due back after a break. The Moderator Team is checking the list and will let them in in due course.

Please remember to stick to the Site Rules which are there for your own well-being and for the survival of the Site.

Most posting here is "ball not man" and within rules even when debate is forceful.

The bannings from this site have nearly all been due either to racist, violent or abusive posting, or for unsubstantiated allegations against people.

If there are sites that don't mind this, please use them if you want to make this kind of posting. Don't expect this site to provide for them, because it won't. Pushing at the boundaries of what is acceptable is unfair to Mods and to the Site as it takes our lives off us firefighting, when we could be using our time instead to improve the site or putting our feet up in the Sibín.

C. Flower
Admin

[C. Flower]

Lapsedmethodist has been welcomed back after the absence.

devrajan has been banned for breaches of the ToC including commercial linking and posting in breach of rules. Anyone interested in his banking case may still follow it via his blog.

[C. Flower]

disability student has just headed back off to college and will be back with us before long.

[ang]

Cáthasaigh has been banned (24HR) for posting outside of site rules.

[C. Flower]

Digey's Ghost and youngdan have both been banned for posting contrary to forum rules.

[ang]

JMcgynty has been banned for spamming the forum.

[C. Flower]

Apologies to members on late notice on this.

A temporary Christmas amnesty was given to Youngdan on the basis that he would post in accordance with forum rules.
While the Moderators were aware of this, I forgot to inform the wider membership, which has led to some confusion.

Any person posting here, whatever their history, is entitled to normal respect and to have the content of their posts discussed, not their personal histories.

If anyone has any general views on bannings, please put them in a thread in the Site Development forum. If anyone wants to give views on membership of any individual, please do it by pm to me, and not on the threads, which have been seriously disrupted by personal off-topic posting. Any posts of that kind put on topical threads will be deleted without notice.

The brandy and Christmas pudding obviously hasn't agreed with everyone. It's time now to shake off these discomforts and get the forum back on the track of quality discussion, as it was before the holiday.

:)


CF
Admin

[C. Flower]

Just banned "Tommy".

:)

[C. Flower]

Starbuck has been banned permanently for posting in breach of site rules, following a written warning yesterday.

[C. Flower]

IrishJobsforIrishWorkers will not be with us for 24 hours. Please note that when posting on Court Cases or matters that will come in front of Courts the utmost care must be taken not to post anything that might prejudice a case - please rely on published material only and don't speculate or make statements of fact outside the reported matters.

Thanks for your co-operation.

[Sam Lord]

Irishjobsforirishworkers has left us for good due to continuous disregard of site rules.

[C. Flower]

Irishjobsforirishworkers has left us for good due to continuous disregard of site rules.


ditto youngdan.

[ang]

Claudia has been banned for "man not ball" posting which is against site rules.

[antiestablishmentarian]

Lapsed has been given a 2 day ban for abusive posting.

[C. Flower]

Desmond Brennan has been banned for being a re-registered banned person.

[C. Flower]

Fugee has been banned for race hate posting and for being a re-registered banned person.

[C. Flower]

Fodla32 was banned for abusive posting and for spam posting (persistently posting to provoke, not debate).

[antiestablishmentarian]

Jocelyndong banned for commercial spamming. Set the new record for shortest stay on the site :)

[C. Flower]

DiarmuidM has been banned due to his breaching forum rules on commercial spamming and also posting "adult" material.

[C. Flower]

Digout Outdig Tuodig was banned for

a) being a banned returnee

b) posting a thread titled "beware of coons" in which he invited the Mods to ban him.

[C. Flower]

Erigena was banned for two days of postings, deleted by Mods, that were seriously in contravention of site terms and conditions. He expressed his awareness that he was breaching site rules and would be banned.

[C. Flower]

It seems some people missed this notice so I'm bumping it.