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riposte
30-01-2013, 07:38 PM
This should separate the men from the boys.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21264632

C. Flower
30-01-2013, 09:41 PM
This should separate the men from the boys.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21264632

Israel moved missiles to the border a couple of days ago.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/01/28/285919/israel-deploys-missiles-near-syria-border/

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/31/world/middleeast/syria-says-it-was-hit-by-strikes-from-israeli-planes.html?emc=na&_r=0

Kev Bar
30-01-2013, 10:09 PM
Israel moved missiles to the border a couple of days ago.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/01/28/285919/israel-deploys-missiles-near-syria-border/

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/31/world/middleeast/syria-says-it-was-hit-by-strikes-from-israeli-planes.html?emc=na&_r=0

Those Germans really need to get over this gig.

And the Dutch?

What's going down? And are the respective electorates hip to this?


The US and Germany will provide two Patriot batteries and 400 troopers each to man the missiles. The Netherlands will also dispatch 360 forces and the other two batteries. Each Patriot battery has an average of 12 missile launchers.



http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/01/28/285919/israel-deploys-missiles-near-syria-border/

C. Flower
31-01-2013, 09:30 AM
Israel deploying forces to the Syrian border according to Press TV.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/01/31/286518/israel-deploying-forces-on-syria-border/

C. Flower
31-01-2013, 09:38 AM
Two US Patriots have been delivered by sea to Turkey.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/01/30/286455/two-us-patriot-missiles-arrive-in-turkey/

Patriots are "defensive" weapons in that they are designed to bring down incoming missiles. However they are in fact "first strike" enablers, as they allow attack on a country with a degree of certainty that that country will not be able to effectively strike back. They are therefore seen as destabilising and agressive.

This type of weapon brought to an end the idea of "mutually assured destruction" (MAD) that had provided a degree of protection from nuclear war up to the 1990s.

Reagan's Star Wars strategy ended that.

riposte
31-01-2013, 09:52 AM
Two US Patriots have been delivered by sea to Turkey.

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/01/30/286455/two-us-patriot-missiles-arrive-in-turkey/

Patriots are "defensive" weapons in that they are designed to bring down incoming missiles. However they are in fact "first strike" enablers, as they allow attack on a country with a degree of certainty that that country will not be able to effectively strike back. They are therefore seen as destabilising and agressive.

This type of weapon brought to an end the idea of "mutually assured destruction" (MAD) that had provided a degree of protection from nuclear war up to the 1990s.

Reagan's Star Wars strategy ended that.

Looks like an invasion of Syria is imminent.

C. Flower
31-01-2013, 09:57 AM
Looks like an invasion of Syria is imminent.

It would not be the first time.



http://www.nationsonline.org/maps/syria-map.jpg

riposte
31-01-2013, 10:06 AM
It would not be the first time.



http://www.nationsonline.org/maps/syria-map.jpg

Looking at that map ........ I guess it will be the Turks who will invade (boots on the ground) with air power from USA and UK. ( The Germans seem to be flexing their muscles also.)

Holly
31-01-2013, 10:59 AM
This Israeli action is a definite escalation.
American news outlets are quoting unnamed U.S. officials that it was a convoy which was attacked but this information is coming from an Israeli government source.

fluffybiscuits
31-01-2013, 12:30 PM
This Israeli action is a definite escalation.
American news outlets are quoting unnamed U.S. officials that it was a convoy which was attacked but this information is coming from an Israeli government source.

Russia has come out in the last few hours and said that any attack by Israel is in contravention of UN Law (since when did that stop Israel?) and was disappointed if Israel did attack. Iran has told the media that any attack on Syria would be seen as an attack on it. US backs Israel and Iran gets involved so is the US doing this to paint Iran as aggressors? Israel has strong ties to Russia as Russian is the second or third biggest language in Israel after a lot of Jewish emigres made ayliah back to Israel during the sixties and fifties. The whole region is going to destabalise....

fluffybiscuits
31-01-2013, 05:24 PM
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/middle-east-live/2013/jan/31/syria-israeli-air-strikes-condemned-live


The BBC is citing a US official as saying reporting that the target of yesterday's Israeli air strike in Syria was a convoy carrying Russian-made missiles:


Convoy carrying Russian-made missiles was target of Israeli attack on #Syria-Lebanon border, US official tells BBC bbc.in/11jZwav

Whole area is going to be at f*ckin war soon.. :(

musashi
31-01-2013, 05:48 PM
Can someone please tell me what the hell is goin' on here?

There are so many nations interfering on one side or the other I really can't see the wood for the trees anymore.

And why is the West sticking its beak in? Oil?

fluffybiscuits
31-01-2013, 05:50 PM
Can someone please tell me what the hell is goin' on here?

There are so many nations interfering on one side or the other I really can't see the wood for the trees anymore.

And why is the West sticking its beak in? Oil?

To hazard a guess to draw Iran out.

Iran would attack Israel in response to the attack on Syria and Yanks move in.

musashi
31-01-2013, 07:23 PM
To hazard a guess to draw Iran out.

Iran would attack Israel in response to the attack on Syria and Yanks move in.

I don't believe Israel will attack Iran: the IDF prefer soft targets (Gaza).

C. Flower
31-01-2013, 08:11 PM
Can someone please tell me what the hell is goin' on here?

There are so many nations interfering on one side or the other I really can't see the wood for the trees anymore.

And why is the West sticking its beak in? Oil?

There was a real and substantial opposition to Assad from the left and from oppressed / poor sections of the population. A western supported and militarised opposition has been bussed in and is backed by the US / NATO who will have nothing to do with the internal opposition (feared by them to be pro Iranian).

If there is going to be change, they want to make sure it is change they can believe in.

Syria is perched in the middle of contesting states and the Assads have kept them apart to some extent, up until now.

musashi
31-01-2013, 09:44 PM
I found c4's coverage remarkable for its brevity, one sentence about Israeli strikes on a Syrian military installation.

riposte
31-01-2013, 10:33 PM
A western supported and militarised opposition has been bussed in and is backed by the US / NATO who will have nothing to do with the internal opposition (feared by them to be pro Iranian).
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i don't know how you can figure that Cass ....... the internal opposition is undoubedtly Sunni ....... The Iranian (Shia) are backing Asad 100%

C. Flower
01-02-2013, 01:29 PM
The Irish Times says that Syria has "menaced" Israel with a threat to respond.

Two people reported dead after a bombing of a US Embassy in Turkey (Ankara?).

fluffybiscuits
01-02-2013, 03:22 PM
The Irish Times says that Syria has "menaced" Israel with a threat to respond.

Two people reported dead after a bombing of a US Embassy in Turkey (Ankara?).

The bombing was of the embassy in Ankara and at the moment no one is claiming responsibility. It has been reported a Turkish citizen killed but no other info to hand. Read there was reports there was talk lately of shifting it to a more secure premises.

fluffybiscuits
01-02-2013, 03:27 PM
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middleeast/2013/02/2013216317640358.html

Americans making a lot of noise now and spinning the line the Russians are arming the Syrians as they depelete their ammunition and Iran is posturing. (Well of course that would be the point, paint the Iranians and Russians in a bad light. The Russians as they are the old foe and the Iranians as an excuse to attack and strike first). Reminiscent of Afghanistan, the Russians and the Americans looking to both place some sort of puppet in place.

Analysis of Why Russia might be supporting Assad and Syria
http://middleeast.about.com/od/syria/a/Why-Does-Russia-Support-The-Syrian-Regime.htm


•Arms industry: War is good for business. In 2011, Russia’s weapons industry exported around $1 billion worth of arms to Syria, and there are some $4 billion in outstanding contracts. Reuters has reported an increase in shipments of small arms since the beginning of the uprising.

•Trade ties: Other Russian businessmen have plenty to lose in Syria. As Syria’s manufacturing sector crumbles under the weight of sanctions (and years of mismanagement), the regime depends on imports of petroleum products, grains, electrical equipment and other Russian goods. In fact, trade between Syrian and Russia shot up by 58% to $1.97 billion in 2011, according to Russian sources.

•Tartous port: The most tangible prize Moscow gets from this relationship is access to a naval base in Syria’s port city of Tartous, Russia’s only navy outpost in the Mediterranean. Cooperation goes back to 1971, and in 2008 Tartous was converted into a permanent Russian base, with ambitious plans for modernization of facilities. Who would’ve thought back then…

All of which makes this a serious game for Kremlin’s policy architects. If Assad is replaced by a Western-friendly government, would Russia’s contracts and investments be honored? And what of Tartous?

C. Flower
03-02-2013, 06:32 PM
Can anyone work out who is attacking who, here ?

http://jihadology.net/2013/02/03/six-new-statements-from-jabhat-al-nu%E1%B9%A3rah-3/

riposte
03-02-2013, 06:43 PM
Can anyone work out who is attacking who, here ?

http://jihadology.net/2013/02/03/six-new-statements-from-jabhat-al-nu%E1%B9%A3rah-3/

I love this bit ..........
Jihadology is a personal project of Aaron Y. Zelin and is not associated with The Washington Institute for Near East Policy.

lol !!

C. Flower
03-02-2013, 06:47 PM
I love this bit ..........
lol !!

Keep going.....

fluffybiscuits
03-02-2013, 10:46 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-21311874

Assad is now throwing all the bathwater out, Israel is attacking Syria and Hezbollah are getting new toys. Syria has some of its credibility back as some now view them as representing the attitude that is so pervasive to Israel in the Middle East

BTW Are the Russians still getting their hands dirty?