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C. Flower
13-01-2013, 02:45 PM
The US Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Philip Gordon stated publicly last week that it was in the US interest for the UK to remain in the EU.

The context is that David Cameron proposes to announce within a month an agenda for negotiation of terms to withdraw from aspects of the EU and to hold a referendum on this.

Gordon has spoken in terms of needing a strong and unified EU to deal with "shared interests around the world" with the US.

Reportedly, the US has also opposed separation of Scotland from the UK.

Both the British and US positions on this have world importance and also big potential impact on Ireland.

The US wishes to have the EU as a unified entity sharing the costs of US geopolitical and military strategy globally. The US wishes to cut down on military expenditure in Europe and see it picked up within the EU. An eventual EU military is an unspoken inevitability in this vision. The UK has traditionally been the strongest voice in favour of the US line within the EU, and a military partner abroad.

At home, increasingly British people want to leave the EU and Scots want to leave the UK.

There does not seem to be any reference in reports to the North of Ireland, but it seems that the rationale for wanting Scotland to stay in the UK very likely is applied also by the US to the north.


Other US officials have spoken privately about the importance of Britain staying in the club. Last month, one described the EU as a "force multiplier" which was more effective with Britain inside. During an official visit to London, Mr Gordon was the first to make the point in public.
He qualified his analysis by making clear that Britain would keep its "special relationship" with the US regardless of any decision about EU membership. "Britain is an important player in the world and it's certainly a long-standing and important friend of the United States – and it always will be," he said.
But Mr Gordon said that America was increasingly dealing with the EU as a whole, rather than any individual member. "We have a growing relationship with the European Union as an institution which has a growing voice in the world – and we want to see a strong British voice in that European Union. That is in the American interest," he said. "

Cameron is trying to play a double game of placating Eurosceptic voters and at the time preparing to do everything he can to keep Britain in the EU.

Any thoughts on the outcome of this ?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/9791484/US-publicly-voices-concerns-over-Britain-leaving-EU.html


http://uk.news.yahoo.com/cameron-says-u-backs-bid-alter-eu-membership-135354728.html

http://www.euractiv.com/uk-europe/rehn-joins-german-us-voices-warn-news-517004

Slim Buddha
13-01-2013, 03:38 PM
It is all in your first sentence, CF

" it is in the US interest for the UK to remain in the EU".

The US is relentless in the pursuit of US interests.
These are always defined by the US.

C. Flower
13-01-2013, 05:55 PM
It is all in your first sentence, CF

" it is in the US interest for the UK to remain in the EU".

The US is relentless in the pursuit of US interests.
These are always defined by the US.

The wider context is the US setting up Africom - Mali is already being wrecked - and the mysterious Boko Haran, al Shabab, Al Q entities always on hand to kick things off, and the statement from the US that the East is now its main focus of interest.

The US taking on Africa and the East and the EU Russia, the Balkans and the Med.

Division of labour and spoils.

fluffybiscuits
13-01-2013, 09:16 PM
The US Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs Philip Gordon stated publicly last week that it was in the US interest for the UK to remain in the EU.

The context is that David Cameron proposes to announce within a month an agenda for negotiation of terms to withdraw from aspects of the EU and to hold a referendum on this.

Gordon has spoken in terms of needing a strong and unified EU to deal with "shared interests around the world" with the US.

Reportedly, the US has also opposed separation of Scotland from the UK.

Both the British and US positions on this have world importance and also big potential impact on Ireland.

The US wishes to have the EU as a unified entity sharing the costs of US geopolitical and military strategy globally. The US wishes to cut down on military expenditure in Europe and see it picked up within the EU. An eventual EU military is an unspoken inevitability in this vision. The UK has traditionally been the strongest voice in favour of the US line within the EU, and a military partner abroad.

At home, increasingly British people want to leave the EU and Scots want to leave the UK.

There does not seem to be any reference in reports to the North of Ireland, but it seems that the rationale for wanting Scotland to stay in the UK very likely is applied also by the US to the north.


Cameron is trying to play a double game of placating Eurosceptic voters and at the time preparing to do everything he can to keep Britain in the EU.

Any thoughts on the outcome of this ?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/9791484/US-publicly-voices-concerns-over-Britain-leaving-EU.html


http://uk.news.yahoo.com/cameron-says-u-backs-bid-alter-eu-membership-135354728.html

http://www.euractiv.com/uk-europe/rehn-joins-german-us-voices-warn-news-517004

More buying power for the EU to purchase more weapons from US Defence contractors. Where have I heard of all of this before..

C. Flower
23-01-2013, 07:52 AM
So, Cameron is going for an in - out referendum.

Is also going to renegotiate.

Should Ireland piggy back ?

DCon
23-01-2013, 08:01 AM
So, Cameron is going for an in - out referendum.

Is also going to renegotiate.

Should Ireland piggy back ?

Clever politicking from the Tories

The referendum will be after the next election, if they are voted back in. They are aiming for the hard Tory/UKIP vote with this move.

DCon
23-01-2013, 08:32 AM
Lucinda does not want treaty change


Tony Connelly ‏@tconnellyRTE

Ireland's Europe Min @LCreighton says "no surprises" in #Cameron speech, but "no appetite whatsover" at member state level for treaty change

DCon
23-01-2013, 08:59 AM
Decco will be on Pat Kenny to discuss this. In case anyone misses hearing his voice.


Declan Ganley ‏@declanganley

I'll be on RTE Radio 1's Pat Kenny show at approx 10am to discuss. #Cameron #EUSpeech

C. Flower
23-01-2013, 09:09 AM
On now. Introduced as "businessman" by Pat Kenny.

Marian Harkin also.

Cameron is pointing to the need for a new EU treaty for the purposes of the Euro.
"competitiveness" in the EU
and lack of democratic accountability in the EU.

DCon
23-01-2013, 09:11 AM
Cammy letter

http://orderorder.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/speech-letter.png?w=480&h=366

http://order-order.com/2013/01/23/camerons-letter-to-tory-mps-in-full/

C. Flower
23-01-2013, 09:13 AM
Ganley

"It is a can kicking exercise to deal with the UKIP threat"

Has committed to renegotiated without an agenda. Agrees on competitiveness.

"Did not propose reforms and made it clear that he sees EU democracy stopping at member state parliaments"

DCon
23-01-2013, 09:22 AM
Britain's IBEC likes it


Guido Fawkes ‏@GuidoFawkes

Business lobby IoD's verdict on Prime Minister’s EU speech: ‘realistic and pragmatic’