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C. Flower
06-12-2012, 08:12 PM
Is there any realistic expectation of a progressive budget from Fine Gael?
Why, if Labour want progressive budgets, would they prop up a Fine Gael Government ?

From Nessa Childers website:


Budget 2013 is not a fair or equal budget and the cuts will affect the lower paid and women negatively and disproportionately. The Government have also missed an opportunity to introduce more progressive taxation, through a Financial Transaction Tax and Site Valuation Tax.
Speaking about women in Budget 2013, Nessa Chiders claimed: “The cut in child benefitat €10 per child per month; the 20% cut in respite care (€325 less a year); the back to school allowances cut from €150 to €100; and taxing maternity benefit will all impact on women disproportionally to men. These cuts may seem like 'small change' to people on high incomes, who most likely made these decisions, but will actually make life harder on a week to week basis for women carers and those with young families. This budget proves yet again the need for equality proofing in budget decision making.

“I have to ask the question why are the Government not willing to take €7 a week from those of receipt of salaries of over €100,000 a year via an increase in USC, but instead are willing to take €7 a week from carers?

Ms Childers said that she was disappointed that the Government did not consider site value tax rather than property tax as this would be a more progressive tax. A site value tax looks at land usage and location to assess value.

“The Government should have also introduced a Financial Transaction Tax (FTT) in this budget as the income generated could be channelled into job creation, and alleviate cuts to essential frontline services.

“I believe it is both necessary and important for Ireland to support a tax that would help to put a brake on the sort of reckless trading that brought about the economic crisis and at the same time pay a citizen’s dividend on financial trading. Already eleven EU countries have decided to introduce the tax.

Ms Childers concluded by saying the Government had to deal with the enormity of the bank bail-out debt agreement, the legacy of nearly 15 years of poor governance, and the austerity policies imposed by the Troika. But both the Minister and the backbenchers are facing an impossible task dealing with the national deficit. “It is time for the Government to look at the long term impact this approach is having on our economy, and more importantly society, and start to play hard-ball with the EU/ECB.”



http://www.nessachilders.ie/blog/2012/12/06/statement-by-nessa-childers-mep-on-budget-2013-a-missed-opportunity-with-women--lowerpaid-negatively-and-disproportionately-affected/

riposte
06-12-2012, 08:33 PM
Yeah .... but will she reisgn from the Labour party in protest?

ang
06-12-2012, 09:18 PM
Massive failure and yet again the vulnerable are hardest hit.

Labour and Fine Gael are in no way concerned about fairness or equality for Society in general and it is quite obvious this is about retaining power and as far as this Govt are concerned the only way of continuing in power is to ensure vested interests are complied with.



As an aside it is worth pointing out if any FTT were to be agreed to (doubtful as that is John Brutons definition of "the vulnerable" being hit) the proceeds will be earmarked for EU funding to aid in any future financial crash.

Troubleshooter
06-12-2012, 09:20 PM
No she will not like Gilmore ,Rabbit,Burton,Quinn,Howlin they need two more years before they get their big payoff.This lot will do what the last bunch of FF ministers Ahern Dempsey Cullen Harney did ,run away from the people who are waiting to sack them all at the next election.

Greengoddess
06-12-2012, 09:46 PM
Yeah .... but will she reisgn from the Labour party in protest?

If that were to be of any help to the people it would have to have a measurable effect on change. As Stephen Collins ( yes ,I know) put it " Childers is not influential". Of course that may no longer be true.
Btw, no payoff.

C. Flower
06-12-2012, 09:46 PM
Yeah .... but will she reisgn from the Labour party in protest?

Will she call, in the Labour Party, for an exodus from Government ?

Greengoddess
06-12-2012, 09:56 PM
Will she call, in the Labour Party, for an exodus from Government ?

A better question.

disability student
06-12-2012, 10:24 PM
Why didn't she leave with regards to Roisin Shortall?

GG, Labour is finished really and no going back no matter their lame excuses were?

Not just just Lab but FG too re no 3rd tax for high earners.

They are seen as far worse than the Greens who had the guts & courage to pull out of Govt.

It made FF not look bad at all in the scheme of things. People are starting to see true face of establishment... FG/Lab/FFF.

It's a question of when?

Shaadi
06-12-2012, 10:25 PM
If that were to be of any help to the people it would have to have a measurable effect on change. As Stephen Collins ( yes ,I know) put it " Childers is not influential". Of course that may no longer be true.
Btw, no payoff.You and Broughan, Nulty and Shorthall would be very influential on the future electoral prospects of an instant alternative Labour party. With 3 sitting TDs and an MEP you'd be ready to expand rapidly ( as the rats start looking for the exit doors ) and capitalise on the disenchanted Labour constituency.

disability student
06-12-2012, 10:27 PM
You and Broughan, Nulty and Shorthall would be very influential on the future electoral prospects of an instant alternative Labour party. With 3 sitting TDs and an MEP you'd be ready to expand rapidly ( as the rats start looking for the exit doors ) and capitalise on the disenchanted Labour constituency.

Well said Shaadi.;)

Baron von Biffo
06-12-2012, 10:30 PM
You and Broughan, Nulty and Shorthall would be very influential on the future electoral prospects of an instant alternative Labour party.

You've seen the PDs now meet the DDs - Disgruntled Dubs. ;)

riposte
06-12-2012, 10:32 PM
You and Broughan, Nulty and Shorthall would be very influential on the future electoral prospects of an instant alternative Labour party. With 3 sitting TDs and an MEP you'd be ready to expand rapidly ( as the rats start looking for the exit doors ) and capitalise on the disenchanted Labour constituency.

Yes ...... very well said Shaadi.

Shaadi
06-12-2012, 10:35 PM
You've seen the PDs now meet the DDs - Disgruntled Dubs. ;)It'd be funny to see Keaveney the rat trying to have a leg in both camps.

culmore
06-12-2012, 10:47 PM
did the good Nessa offer to cut her huge salery and expenses, No - But Lecture Others.

C. Flower
07-12-2012, 03:01 AM
Others in Labour on the budget.


The Campaign for Labour Polices

The Campaign for Labour Polices, the ‘grassroots organisation of Labour Party members’, has labelled Budget 2013 ‘an austerity assault, which will do nothing for job creation’.

Party spokesperson Paul Dillon, said the government is taking the ‘wrong measures to reduce the deficit’.

“Instead of cuts and stealth taxes, they should be targeting wealth and focusing on job creation. The abolition of the €127 a year PRSI allowance for workers is totally unfair, and entirely regressive, in that it will hit the lowest paid hardest,” said Mr Dillon.

Minister Varadkar said that ‘new incentives will be put in place to facilitate the construction of hangars and other assets at airports, in order to attract aviation business to Ireland’.

“The package could benefit Shannon Airport when it becomes independent in the near future, as well as all airports across Ireland whether in public or private ownership, as all airports may avail of it.

“The Government will also consider the feasibility of new funding sources for airlines, and for aircraft financing and leasing companies,” said Minister Varadkar.

Responding, The Campaign for Labour Polices said:

“The targets set for Labour by those who supported the party will be missed. Budget 2013 cuts capital expenditure, which will directly cut jobs. The measures on jobs seem to consist entirely of tax breaks for private investors, such as in the area of aircraft leasing.”



http://insideireland.ie/2012/12/06/political-budget-response-fianna-fail-sinn-fein-ula-82169/

Slim Buddha
07-12-2012, 09:19 AM
You've seen the PDs now meet the DDs - Disgruntled Dubs. ;)

Well, you won't find any meaningful opposition on the high plains of Laois-Offaly, will you? But there was, notoriously, one PD there in the past, rebranding the place as "Parlon Country".

Richardbouvet
07-12-2012, 09:55 AM
This is not a time for leaving the Labour party. It is a time for getting in there to turn the ship around, not for jumping off it.

The Campaign for Labour Policies is having a meeting tomorrow (Sat) at 2pm in Liberty Hall about this.

Troubleshooter
07-12-2012, 10:29 AM
The only Red line for Labour is to make sure that there pay and wages are not cut

TotalMayhem
07-12-2012, 11:02 AM
This is not a time for leaving the Labour party. It is a time for getting in there to turn the ship around, not for jumping off it.

This sounds awfully like what we heard from members of the Green Party in its dying days. :D

Baron von Biffo
07-12-2012, 11:03 AM
This sounds awfully like what we heard from members of the Green Party in its dying days. :D

:D

C. Flower
07-12-2012, 11:37 AM
This is not a time for leaving the Labour party. It is a time for getting in there to turn the ship around, not for jumping off it.

The Campaign for Labour Policies is having a meeting tomorrow (Sat) at 2pm in Liberty Hall about this.


If the Labour Party is the ship, the best way of saving it is to sail it right out of Government and in to opposition.

Troubleshooter
07-12-2012, 12:54 PM
And Koan Burton regrets what she did to carers ,give us a break

DCon
07-12-2012, 12:56 PM
And Koan Burton regrets what she did to carers ,give us a break

At least Joan gets a raise

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2060899/As-Ireland-braces-budget-cuts-politicians-cut-secret-deal-3million-euro-year-budget-increase.html

Greengoddess
07-12-2012, 06:36 PM
If the Labour Party is the ship, the best way of saving it is to sail it right out of Government and in to opposition.
Who takes its place?

Saoirse go Deo
07-12-2012, 06:47 PM
If a party is doing the opposite of what it stands for and what you believe it should do, why would you stay?

Reality is that labour party members may as well be in Fine Gael, looking at what Labour have done in government.

C. Flower
07-12-2012, 07:59 PM
Who takes its place?

It's place doing what ?

Being a Labour Party, or being a mud guard to Fine Gael ?

And let's not pretend that there is anything Left or Liberal about Fine Gael.

disability student
07-12-2012, 08:14 PM
Someone commented to me re state of parties in Ireland

Labour party symbol party for the work eh? A joke really more like upper class party!

SF for freedom re Ireland !!

FG a pro British and snob party!!

FF a corrupt party!!

What next??

Shaadi
07-12-2012, 10:28 PM
Who takes its place?An election takes its place or a minority FG Govt takes its place. An election will bring two options FF/FG or FF/SF/Lab.

Option A will get stuck in and fix the deficit by cutting the PS and by following a similar Joan Burtonesque line on the welfare system. The advantage of option A is that the PS unions can fight the unjust cuts and be exposed if they fight the corner of the PS top brass who need an almighty kick in the **** as far as the public are concerned. Option A will be more efficient than the current arrangement and will allow for the creation of a proper Left/Right divide in Irish politics. Option A would see Labour retain 25 seats in a snap election and keep them on a par with SF and guarantee Labour's survival and probable regrowth.

Option B will be a centre-left Govt that'll have a Left wing majority of SF/Labour calling the shots over the FF pragmatists who are quite capable of swinging to the left. Option B will be capable of taxing the wealthy while following the CPA line with the PS and using the wealth taxes to alleviate some of the pain for the SW class. Option B keeps Labour on a par with SF and FF, even if the Govt declines in popularity over its term, Labour will still be in touch with the other two.

As Labour are pension hungry and deluded enough to think that their blatantly transparent hand-wringing is enough to fool the public, they will carry on until it's too late and bring us to a point where either FF/FG or FF/SF/INDs take over in 2015-16. Thus leaving the new Govt with the heavy work having already been done and five years to get the country back on its feet, while Labour struggle for relevance and survival on 10% or less support.

Troubleshooter
07-12-2012, 10:34 PM
This week marks the end for labour ,SF the workers party have destroyed them Gilmore and Rabbit who only wanted their pensions now .Burton and Quinn and Howlin the same freeloaders.

Greengoddess
07-12-2012, 11:12 PM
An election takes its place or a minority FG Govt takes its place. An election will bring two options FF/FG or FF/SF/Lab.

Option A will get stuck in and fix the deficit by cutting the PS and by following a similar Joan Burtonesque line on the welfare system. The advantage of option A is that the PS unions can fight the unjust cuts and be exposed if they fight the corner of the PS top brass who need an almighty kick in the **** as far as the public are concerned. Option A will be more efficient than the current arrangement and will allow for the creation of a proper Left/Right divide in Irish politics. Option A would see Labour retain 25 seats in a snap election and keep them on a par with SF and guarantee Labour's survival and probable regrowth.

Option B will be a centre-left Govt that'll have a Left wing majority of SF/Labour calling the shots over the FF pragmatists who are quite capable of swinging to the left. Option B will be capable of taxing the wealthy while following the CPA line with the PS and using the wealth taxes to alleviate some of the pain for the SW class. Option B keeps Labour on a par with SF and FF, even if the Govt declines in popularity over its term, Labour will still be in touch with the other two.

As Labour are pension hungry and deluded enough to think that their blatantly transparent hand-wringing is enough to fool the public, they will carry on until it's too late and bring us to a point where either FF/FG or FF/SF/INDs take over in 2015-16. Thus leaving the new Govt with the heavy work having already been done and five years to get the country back on its feet, while Labour struggle for relevance and survival on 10% or less support.
Dear god! That has a ring of truth.

C. Flower
08-12-2012, 01:08 PM
None of the above have the capacity to "get the country back on its feet." That's the problem.

Ephilant
08-12-2012, 02:01 PM
None of the above have the capacity to "get the country back on its feet." That's the problem.

Although I am totally out of the Irish political reality (swopped it for the much more exicitng planet Greece floating in it's own universe :D), the notion of trying to


get the country back on its feet.

Is precisely where it goes wrong, both in Ireland and Greece. This notion implies that somehow the clock can be turned back to a point where everything was honky dory and we can simply change a few rules and carry on from there, happily ever after.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
Countries do not get back on their feet. They had the feet cut out from underneath them and need to look for a new direction rather than a reset.
I'm certain people do realize this, and it scares the living daylights out of them. Hence maybe the rise in popularity of FF again? Better the devil you know than the one you don't?
We experience a very similar situation in Greece with SYRIZA and Tsipras. The latest opinion poll puts SYRIZA a full 3% points ahead of Nea Democratia, and Tsipras as the person deemed fit to be the next PM. At the same time, 61% of those very same people interviewed say they don't want a new election.... Change? Yes, but not just yet. It might possibly maybe just work this time and we could maybe possibly even all get our pension back and our minimum wage and our social security fund and...
People are like alcoholics. They will not step out of their comfort zone unless they hit rock bottom, with a thump. And even then, it usually takes another few kicks were it hurts most before they finally say "enough". Meanwhile, politicians will keep promising to get the country back on it's feet and insure that they and the puppetmasters controlling them keep their privileges, pensions and inflated wages. After all, what could be more important than ensuring we have the right people at the helm, right?

Sam Lord
08-12-2012, 02:09 PM
Countries do not get back on their feet. They had the feet cut out from underneath them and need to look for a new direction rather than a reset.
I'm certain people do realize this, and it scares the living daylights out of them. Hence maybe the rise in popularity of FF again? Better the devil you know than the one you don't?


On the contrary, I think the rise in FF popularity might be because people do not realise this.

Fraxinus
08-12-2012, 02:28 PM
On the contrary, I think the rise in FF popularity might be because people do not realise this.

This is a very sad possibility. I remember when the bust came Diarmuid Ferriter made a good comment on one of the current affairs programmes that at least now we can decide where we want to go as a society learning from what just happened over the past 20 years. That there should be a national discussion on this. Of course that never happened and instead of questioning the role that big business had on the boom and bust era the only policy that has come from the governing class and associated media has been "Ireland open for business".

Vincent Brown wrote a while back in the Business Post about how tackling social inequality was ignored during the boom and is being put on hold now, until business has us back on our feet. Add to this the almost cringeworthy exilhiration of any "improvement" in the property market. Every event whether it be a small town festival or something as massive as the Galway Ocean Race, is always reported first and foremost in what its monetary value is to the economy, not its cultural or societal value.

In ways I think we've actually got worse in the search for the quick fix and money obsession, and in a way it's logical as people are so desperate now. We are still in the middle of a vicious circle and people are still clinging to the hope that the clock will rewind back to 2005.

Still waiting for the discussion of where we want to go as a society....

C. Flower
08-12-2012, 02:31 PM
@ephilant @samlord @fraxinus

I think people suspect it, but cling on to every hope and comfort blanket they can find, even maybe the one-eyed Fianna Fail teddy that proved so unsafe to children.

If we admit that this system is broken, and past its time, that puts a massive question of how to replace it, and people know that would be very difficult, and very risky.
So long as they have some hope of being able to live in the old way, they won't take the chance.

What would be a game changer in Europe would be if Tunisia or Egypt made the leap, and the mass of the people took things into their hands.

Fraxinus
08-12-2012, 02:49 PM
@ephilant @samlord @fraxinus

I think people suspect it, but cling on to every hope and comfort blanket they can find, even maybe the one-eyed Fianna Fail teddy that proved so unsafe to children.

If we admit that this system is broken, and past its time, that puts a massive question of how to replace it, and people know that would be very difficult, and very risky.
So long as they have some hope of being able to live in the old way, they won't take the chance.

What would be a game changer in Europe would be if Tunisia or Egypt made the leap, and the mass of the people took things into their hands.

And the none stop "business, business, business" mantra is probably the digging the heels in of a system that is broken! I'm so sick of hearing "that'll be great for business" after every little thing whether a football match or a bus load of Spanish students staying to learn English.

That's absolutley right though. People have no alternative to look to aside from the theoretical. And I don't think we are in a desperate enough state, yet, to take that nothing left to lose leap. If an alternative to the status quo were to come from one of those countries it would be great. Also a hark back to our ancient Med influences if you are to believe the Atlantean theory ;)

C. Flower
08-12-2012, 03:13 PM
And the none stop "business, business, business" mantra is probably the digging the heels in of a system that is broken! I'm so sick of hearing "that'll be great for business" after every little thing whether a football match or a bus load of Spanish students staying to learn English.

That's absolutley right though. People have no alternative to look to aside from the theoretical. And I don't think we are in a desperate enough state, yet, to take that nothing left to lose leap. If an alternative to the status quo were to come from one of those countries it would be great. Also a hark back to our ancient Med influences if you are to believe the Atlantean theory ;)

It is all
businessbecause in this system, saving capital i.e. saving profitability, without which capital can't exist, is the essential thing.
People only matter in so far as needed to reproduce capital.