Far right militias rise by 250% in USA in one year

[People Korps]

The US is facing a surge in anti-government extremist groups and armed militias, driven by deepening hostility on the right to Barack Obama, anger over the economy, and the increasing propagation of conspiracy theories by parts of the mass media such as Fox News.


It seems that Fox news fans the flames by endorsing conspiracy theories.


The Southern Poverty Law Centre, the US's most prominent civil rights group focused on hate organisations, said in a report that extremist "patriot" groups "came roaring back to life" last year as their number jumped nearly 250% to more than 500 with deepening ties to conservative mainstream politics.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/04/us-surge-rightwing-extremist-groups

[C. Flower]

Thanks for posting that People Korps. People have been too inclined to casually mock conspiracy theory, but it is used to foster right wing libertarianism and antisemitism. This goes hand in hand with the attacks on the Trade Unions since the 1980s and their FBI infiltration for many decades. The US working class and impoverished middle classes need a political organisation to serve their own interests, not to make them into political fodder for born again neoconservatives and right Republicans.



The Southern Poverty Law Centre (http://www.splcenter.org/), the US's most prominent civil rights group focused on hate organisations, said in a report (http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/spring/rage-on-the-right) that extremist "patriot" groups "came roaring back to life" last year as their number jumped nearly 250% to more than 500 with deepening ties to conservative mainstream politics.
The SPLC report, called Rage on the Right, said the rise in extremist groups was "a cause for grave concern" given their propensity to use violence during their heyday in the 90s, most notably with the Oklahoma City bombing that killed 168 people. It added that the issues driving support for such groups were increasingly populist and that "signs of growing radicalisation are everywhere".
"Patriot groups have been fuelled by anger over the changing demographics of the country, the soaring public debt, the troubled economy and an array of initiatives by President Obama that have been branded "socialist" or even "fascist" by his political opponents," the report said.
"Already there are signs of … violence emanating from the radical right. Since the installation of Barack Obama, rightwing extremists have murdered six law enforcement officers. Racist skinheads and others have been arrested in alleged plots to assassinate the nation's first black president. One man from Brockton, Massachusetts – who told police he had learned on white supremacist websites that a genocide was under way against whites – is charged with murdering two black people and planning to kill as many Jews as possible on the day after Obama's inauguration. Most recently, a rash of individuals with anti-government, survivalist or racist views have been arrested in a series of bomb cases."
The report says the patriot movement has "made significant inroads into the conservative political scene" in part driven by a growing view of the US administration "as part of a plot to impose 'one-world government' on liberty-loving Americans".
"The Tea Parties (http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/feb/28/obama-tea-party-republicans-opposition) and similar groups that have sprung up in recent months cannot fairly be considered extremist groups, but they are shot through with rich veins of radical ideas, conspiracy theories and racism," the report says

[People Korps]

There seems to be a movement to a common ground between the armed loonies and the Tea Party loonies.

Rednecks were bound to get annoyed with a black president in office.

[C. Flower]

Its more than that. The US middle class and working class is getting hammered, and they don't seem to have much in the way of political parties to represent them. The Republicans and Democrats are just two different modes of political protection for the ultra rich.

[youngdan]

People don't dislike Obama because he is black. That is a stupid line of argument. He got more votes than any other president ever and he was still the same colour..

Even the democrat members of the House are sick of Obama. That is why they won't pass his health care bill despite having about 60 seats of a majority

[C. Flower]

I don't like Obama because of what the whole administration he's put together is and does.

I learned a lot about US governance and elections by watching Obama. If he hadn't got it, someone else equally on message would have. They put up a whole clutch of standins and understudies. No wonder Bill said his candidature was a joke.

[Mark Lenard]

Whilst people may not be too fond of Obama, at least he is civilised. Under someone like Sarah Palin bible militias etc would flourish

The US is in a very dangerous state now, in the long run it appears bankrupt. Inequality will continue rising, so the conditions are rife for extremist groups, with the far right lookign a lot more dangerous

[youngdan]

They might look dangerous to you. In reality they are people who want the feds to shag off.

They do not want the government babysitting them.

Irish people do not understand. They have their hand out for everything from medical cards to dole. They want someone to take care of them.

The spineless fools are afraid to take care of themselves

[truth.ie]

Dan, if they are against Federal Govt intrusions in their lives. why weren´t they mobilising against the Patriot Act?

[Cáthasaigh]

Dan, if they are against Federal Govt intrusions in their lives. why weren´t they mobilising against the Patriot Act?

Anyone ever notice that the militia only seem to be an issue during Democratic administrations?

[youngdan]

They are a very diverse grouping Truth.ie.

The origonal teabaggers were the Paulites. The name sprang from the money bomb they held on the annerverary of the Boston Teaparty in 2007 where they broke the record by raising more than 5 million in a day.

Since then the establishment have taken over the teaparty and Sarah Palin is pushed as it's leader. She is a stupid front. Glen Beck is an intelligent front.

Sarah Palin campaigned for Gov Rick Perry who won the republican primary in Texas last Tuesday. He now claims to be a teabagger.

You have the republican presidential candidates right there. 2 phonies runing for real change, no more DC insiders.

Stupid people will fall for this.

The real teabaggers are at 19% in the Texas primary. They voted for Debra Medina.

The phony teabaggers will never mention the patriot Act. It got renewed for 5 years the other day. Obama voter thought he was going to get rid of it. They are stupid.

Obama is the same as Bush.


There are no right wing militias in America. A handfull of rednecks infiltrated by the feds here and there but basically nothing.

In Arizona the teabaggers there are not supporting Hayworth against McCain even though McCain is the most important rat to get out of the Senate this time. They are infiltrated out there as well.

If you want to hear a real teabagger listen to this sherrif.

YouTube- 1of2 Richard Mack Chris Mathews_Hardball


He founded The Oathkeepers. They are described in The Times as a right wing militia.

In fact to be an oath keep you must be a fireman, cop or US Military. Serving at present or retired.


Don't read any European media about the teabaggers as they are all clueless

[youngdan]

Anyone ever notice that the militia only seem to be an issue during Democratic administrations? This is a perfect example of the European mindset.

You are fully programmed as a tweedle dum tweedle dee.

They have you completely fooled

[Cáthasaigh]

This is a perfect example of the European mindset.

You are fully programmed as a tweedle dum tweedle dee.

They have you completely fooled

Ruby Ridge, Oklahoma City, Waco all during Clinton's administration but nothing during the Bush administration.....apart from the domestic Anthrax attacks that hastened the passing of the Patriot Act. There isn't a single one of those groups that isn't either infiltrated by the Feds or run by the Feds. It's no different from the illusory leftist radicalism in the days of the Weathermen. Put that in your tweedle and dum it.

[Almanac]

It seems that Fox news fans the flames by endorsing conspiracy theories.

Fox News! :rolleyes:

Fox News represents the corporate-controlled opposition. They are the Establishment. It's like good cop / bad cop. Fox News is the inoculator for stupid people, as Dan says; that is those who believe that Fox actually support the constitutionalist / patriot movements. If they did, they would oppose every American imperial war instead of supporting it. No constitutionalist/patriot/libertarian/tea-bagger/paleoconservative/substitute your own category supports the neocon agenda. If you conflate the two groups, right-wing neocons (represented by Fox) and true conservatives you just demonstrate that you really do not understand American politics.

According to a Homeland Security report last year someone who supports the constitution is a right-wing extremist (http://www.thelibertypapers.org/2009/04/12/homeland-security-document-targets-most-conservatives-and-libertarians-in-the-country/)!

[youngdan]

Ruby Ridge, Oklahoma City, Waco all during Clinton's administration but nothing during the Bush administration.....apart from the domestic Anthrax attacks that hastened the passing of the Patriot Act. There isn't a single one of those groups that isn't either infiltrated by the Feds or run by the Feds. It's no different from the illusory leftist radicalism in the days of the Weathermen. Put that in your tweedle and dum it.

As regards Ruby Ridge.

He was a solitary man. An FBI sniper shot his wife while she held a baby in her arms. They shot his kid. A US Marsall was shot dead.

The end result was that a jury found him not guilty and he later won millions in compensation

As regards Waco.

They could have arrested Koresh every morning when he went into town. Instead they burned 78 kids to death.

There was no militia in either case.


Now you are insinuating that it is all planned and the incidents only happen during democrat administrations.

The only problem with this is that Ruby Ridge happened in Bush's term.

[C. Flower]

The State will both use these groups and crush them when it suits.

[aggressivesecularist]

Whilst people may not be too fond of Obama, at least he is civilised. Under someone like Sarah Palin bible militias etc would flourish

The US is in a very dangerous state now, in the long run it appears bankrupt. Inequality will continue rising, so the conditions are rife for extremist groups, with the far right lookign a lot more dangerous

The Religious Right in the US almost make our crowd seem acceptable , though I don't think Palin herself is religious. This is an area I'm going to take an increasing focus on over the next few years but I'm more interested in how we'd handle relations with any new administration.

[C. Flower]

The Religious Right in the US almost make our crowd seem acceptable , though I don't think Palin herself is religious. This is an area I'm going to take an increasing focus on over the next few years but I'm more interested in how we'd handle relations with any new administration.

In what way do you see it making a difference to us?
Obama has no time for Europe.

[aggressivesecularist]

In what way do you see it making a difference to us?
Obama has no time for Europe.

There's a lot of religious influence on the EU, it is largely secular now, but President Palin might bring out bad trends over here

Nice forum by the way, I have to go now as it is very late here and I've been travelling today

[C. Flower]

There's a lot of religious influence on the EU, it is largely secular now, but President Palin might bring out bad trends over here

Nice forum by the way, I have to go now as it is very late here and I've been travelling today

Thanks. Me too, early start tomorrow.

[People Korps]

This is a perfect example of the European mindset.

You are fully programmed as a tweedle dum tweedle dee.

They have you completely fooled

Young Dan may have a point, right wing nutters aka militias operate under both regimes.

However I dont know if we are fooled , i will Bowie knife it or go rather heavier ordinance should wackos enter the compound

[youngdan]

Young Dan may have a point, right wing nutters aka militias operate under both regimes.

However I dont know if we are fooled , i will Bowie knife it or go rather heavier ordinance should wackos enter the compound

All I know is there is no militia in Rhode Island, Connecticut, Massachusetts, New Hampshire or Maine.

There are a group of left wing people in Vermont who wish to secede.

They have cottoned on to Obama.

Vermont was an independent Republic from 1777 to 1791.

It is a strange place. It is full of socialists and everyone has a gun. Absolutely everyone, you need no permit of all kind. There is very little crime.


However a militia could form very quickly if Obama tries to ram his health care bill down our throats.

Fortunately another democrat resigned today from the Houseso the chances of it passing are slim

[princess terencess]

If you back people up against a wall and ignore their pleas, they will eventually react in anger and take up with the nearest twit who shows any sign of leadership. I know nothing of these teabaggers but if people feel unrepresented they will look for somebody or group to do that and in anger extremes are normal.
There is in my mind no difference between a republian or a democrat elected elite. Their jobs are to play the voters but feather the nest of the rich and elite.

[C. Flower]

If you back people up against a wall and ignore their pleas, they will eventually react in anger and take up with the nearest twit who shows any sign of leadership. I know nothing of these teabaggers but if people feel unrepresented they will look for somebody or group to do that and in anger extremes are normal.
There is in my mind no difference between a republian or a democrat elected elite. Their jobs are to play the voters but feather the nest of the rich and elite.

Nail on the head, Princess.

[Buddha]

So people of a like mind like to stick together? I'm sick of the nanny state here. Over there they have Capital, Secret Service, and Federal laws to abide by, and of course the much misnamed Patriot Act means anything goes. To make matters worse they allow just about anyone to own guns! Can you imagine if everyone in Ireland was allowed to have a gun? There would be mounds of bodies at the end of every Friday night, not to mention Paddy's Day. We would have to have funeral pyres going non-stop.

I don't care about right or left wing anymore, what I cannot abide, in my new awareness of this life is hypocrisy. Hate it. And interference of the State in everyday life. Do you know that if you went to a dentist and said "take all my teeth out and give me dentures", he would not. No. He would tell you to go see a doctor and "smile from within". Happened to a friend of mine who is 56, today!! her bloody mouth, her teeth, but no. The State disproves of it so off she is going to England to get it done. Do you know that if you slap your child you will be done for assault, and your child could be taken away from you, to rot in the so called care of the HSE? Yep! Great bloody world we have build. The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

Sorry, I know I'm in a bad mood. Heard today that my operation is cancelled again. Since October I have been waiting for this, which, by the way, is necessary because of a botch up by a previous op in June last year. So, I am trying to offer up the pain in order to gain Karma but all I am doing is effing and blinding and I hate this bloody Government and Harney will surely burn in hell.

[Coisdealbhach]

Ruby Ridge, Oklahoma City, Waco all during Clinton's administration but nothing during the Bush administration.....apart from the domestic Anthrax attacks that hastened the passing of the Patriot Act. There isn't a single one of those groups that isn't either infiltrated by the Feds or run by the Feds. It's no different from the illusory leftist radicalism in the days of the Weathermen. Put that in your tweedle and dum it.

Yeah, it's political operatives from the Republican Party and the billionaire Koch brothers organising and funding a lot of these far right libertarian groups. I think the real function of the Tea Baggers won't be to actually become a party (which they're too incoherent to do) but to force the entire American political spectrum to move right yet again.

Re the OP, I don't think the rise in far right groups are quite as extreme as they appear. Beneath the surface you'd see that a lot of organisations probably share membership; it's likely the so-called "minutemen" overlap with the tea baggers, and certainly nazi groups' membership overlap with minutemen...so overall they're likely still a minority.

I think that the report is accurate about the far right connecting with and influencing the mainstream American right.

[C. Flower]

Yeah, it's political operatives from the Republican Party and the billionaire Koch brothers organising and funding a lot of these far right libertarian groups. I think the real function of the Tea Baggers won't be to actually become a party (which they're too incoherent to do) but to force the entire American political spectrum to move right yet again.

Re the OP, I don't think the rise in far right groups are quite as extreme as they appear. Beneath the surface you'd see that a lot of organisations probably share membership; it's likely the so-called "minutemen" overlap with the tea baggers, and certainly nazi groups' membership overlap with minutemen...so overall they're likely still a minority.

I think that the report is accurate about the far right connecting with and influencing the mainstream American right.

There is also a populist character to this that will draw in transient discontented people who will move on when they come up against the real political character underlying these movements.

I see that George Soros AKA the US State is now funding a "Coffee Party" to counterbalance the Tea Party. A bit like Fianna Fail, they like to cover all the angles.


YouTube- Coffee Party: How We Began

[People Korps]

Where is the state funding? I noted the coffee thing a while back but they are too middle of the road to fight the fascist tea movement

[Cassandra Syndrome]

For starters that initially link is from then Guardian. One of its writers thinks talkshow host Alex Jones is the same as Oklahoma bomber Timothy McVeigh. Thats how far remvoed from reality they are.

Alex Jones show has poiticians, investors, economists, sociologists of the highest quality. But that rag equates him to a yokel.

False flag events will increase again this year but they will be blamed on militias, the conspiracy theorists, the tea baggers. There have been a number of incidences already blamed on these people. This is what Hitler did to assume complete control when he burnt the Reichstag and blamed the Jews.

There is increase in threat in militias from what there was in the 1990s. Most of them want to be left alone in their hideouts in the wilderness.

[People Korps]

For starters that initially link is from then Guardian. One of its writers thinks talkshow host Alex Jones is the same as Oklahoma bomber Timothy McVeigh. Thats how far remvoed from reality they are.

Alex Jones show has poiticians, investors, economists, sociologists of the highest quality. But that rag equates him to a yokel.

False flag events will increase again this year but they will be blamed on militias, the conspiracy theorists, the tea baggers. There have been a number of incidences already blamed on these people. This is what Hitler did to assume complete control when he burnt the Reichstag and blamed the Jews.

There is increase in threat in militias from what there was in the 1990s. Most of them want to be left alone in their hideouts in the wilderness.

Most of the people you are promoting here and elsewhere are certified nuts and their "libertarianism" is merely a flag of convenience for the far right Timothy McVeigh types.


Most of their objections to Obama are based on his race and their contention that he is a radical socialist...............the hatred of Obama by these types is redneck string em from the highest tree rhetoric


Billie got it right

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4ZyuULy9zs

[C. Flower]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=10224652

The FBI is raiding Christian Fundamentalists in the US, according to ABC news.

I've no idea if this is a normal event of something unexpected.

[Cassandra Syndrome]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=10224652

The FBI is raiding Christian Fundamentalists in the US, according to ABC news.

I've no idea if this is a normal event of something unexpected.

Yeah Cactus, It was unexpected. Started yesterday a coorodinated attack on survivalist groups. Here's a good clip with links to the groups invovled and radio transmissions.

YouTube- BREAKING: MASSIVE MILITIA RAIDS CURRENTLY IN PROGRESS IN MULTIPLE STATES

[C. Flower]

That sounded to me like a chihuahua in the background: perhaps it was just atmospherics. It's always so hard with these things to know what is playacting and what is real.
The ABC report looked bonafide. It's not surprising.

[People Korps]

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory?id=10224652

The FBI is raiding Christian Fundamentalists in the US, according to ABC news.

I've no idea if this is a normal event of something unexpected.

sounds like a damn good idea

[Cassandra Syndrome]

Most of the people you are promoting here and elsewhere are certified nuts and their "libertarianism" is merely a flag of convenience for the far right Timothy McVeigh types.




Most of the people I promote such as?

Ron Paul,
Marc Faber,
Max Keiser,
Gerald Celente,
Zero Hedge
Alex Jones
David McWilliams
Peter Schiff

You think the above are right wing nutters and are threatening to blow up Government buildings?

Learn some political science will you. The common denominator of all of the above is the Austrian School of economics. An ANTI WAR movement. Just because someone has a differing opinion from you doesn't mean that you should chastise them and demonise them as pro terrorist.

[C. Flower]

Most of the people I promote such as?

Ron Paul,
Marc Faber,
Max Keiser,
Gerald Celente,
Zero Hedge
Alex Jones
David McWilliams
Peter Schiff

You think the above are right wing nutters and are threatening to blow up Government buildings?

Learn some political science will you. The common denominator of all of the above is the Austrian School of economics. An ANTI WAR movement. Just because someone has a differing opinion from you doesn't mean that you should chastise them and demonise them as pro terrorist.

Is David McWilliams Austrian School ?

[People Korps]

most of the people i promote such as?

Ron paul,
marc faber,
max keiser,
gerald celente,
zero hedge
alex jones
david mcwilliams
peter schiff
aggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Sound of People Korps running to loo to get ill

[C. Flower]

aggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Sound of People Korps running to loo to get ill

You may not like them, PK, but so far as I can see, they are not McVeigh types.

[Cassandra Syndrome]

Is David McWilliams Austrian School ?

He doesn't seem to nail his mast on any school. His writings are pretty anti statists so I'd put him closer to the Austrian school than to the Chicago Friedman lovers.

[Cassandra Syndrome]

You may not like them, PK, but so far as I can see, they are not McVeigh types.

Thanks Cactus, I have no problem will people disagreeing with them, but please don't paint them as yokel gun loving militias.

[Cassandra Syndrome]

aggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Sound of People Korps running to loo to get ill

Yeah we'll just promote the Nobel Peace Prize winning Obama who sent in another 30,000 troops to Afghanistan to murder and maim innocent people to claim its Opium and natural gas reserves.

Peace and love man ;)

[C. Flower]

A very interesting article here on the militias from Veterans Now, puts them into the context of changing work and a changing workforce.

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2010/04/03/gordon-duff-the-michigan-militia-movement-americas-left-behind/