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Count Bobulescu
23-05-2012, 04:14 PM
If you don’t know who he is, you should, and you will. He flies under the radar. He’s a younger less swashbuckling but ultimately much more exciting version of Richard Branson, and he had two big successes this week.
He’s only 40, California based, from South Africa via Canada. If you’ve used PayPal you’ve likely put money in his pocket. He sold it to EBay for $1.5B.

First this week he announced that his car company Tesla, would bring forward to June 2012 shipments of the first new mass produced US car in decades, (since DeLorean I think), and it happens to be electric powered. (An electric powered DeLorean will launch next year). Second, he (still hopefully on Friday) delivered cargo to the ISS via the first commercially developed rocket. This is the first time it has been done by anything other than a large government agency. He says he can do what the Space Shuttles did for just 10% of the cost. He has plans to export your grandkids to Mars. He is the largest shareholder in Solar City, the largest solar panel provider in the US. Welcome to the new frontier. UFO’s watch out, this guy is to be reckoned with.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk


Elon Musk (born June 28, 1971) is a South African born American inventor, engineer and entrepreneur best known for co-founding SpaceX, Tesla Motors and X.com, which later became Paypal. He is currently the CEO and Chief Designer of SpaceX, CEO and Product Architect of Tesla Motors and Chairman of SolarCity. While at those companies, Musk created the first viable electric car of the modern era, the Tesla Roadster, a private successor to the Space Shuttle Falcon 9, and the world's largest Internet payment system PayPal.http://www.nytimes.com/2012/05/23/science/space/spacexs-private-cargo-rocket-heads-to-space-station.html?_r=1&hp


CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla. — He does not have the name recognition of some other space entrepreneurs, people like Richard Branson, the founder of the Virgin empire, or Paul Allen of Microsoft fame, or Jeff Bezos, the Amazon.com billionaire.

That will probably change if things keep going his way. Elon Musk, a computer prodigy and serial entrepreneur whose ambitions include solving the world’s energy needs and colonizing the solar system, was the man of the hour — or of 3:44 a.m. Tuesday, Eastern time — when the rocket ship built by his company, SpaceX, lifted off gracefully in a nighttime launching and arced off in a streak of light amid loud applause.
“Falcon flew perfectly!!” Mr. Musk posted exultantly on Twitter from his iPhone at 4:04 a.m. “Dragon in orbit, comm locked and solar arrays active!! Feels like a giant weight just came off my back :)”
If all goes as planned, his unmanned Dragon capsule, lifted into orbit by his Falcon 9 rocket, will berth at the International Space Station on Friday bearing a modest cargo: 162 meal packets (45 of them low-sodium), a laptop computer, a change of clothes for the station astronauts and 15 student experiments.
Far more important than the supplies is the proof of concept. Mr. Musk is trying to show the world that a determined entrepreneur can start a rocket company from scratch and, a decade later, end up doing a job that has until now been the exclusive province of federal governments.
“Every launch into space is a thrilling event,” John P. Holdren, President Obama’s assistant for science and technology, said in a statement. “But this one is especially exciting because it represents the potential of a new era in American spaceflight.”
It is the latest achievement by Mr. Musk, a cocky businessman who was born in South Africa and is one month shy of his 41st birthday. Best known for helping found PayPal and selling it to eBay in 2002 for $1.5 billion, he currently multitasks by running two companies he founded: SpaceX, officially known as the Space Exploration Technologies Corporation, and Tesla Motors, which in 2008 brought to market a head-turning all-electric sports car, the Tesla Roadster. He is also chairman of SolarCity, a company that designs and installs solar energy systems.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/with-milestone-launch-spacex-aims-to-make-space-cheap--and-cool/2012/05/22/gIQA9TnjiU_story.html?wpisrc=nl_headlines


A new era in spaceflight blasted off early Tuesday with the launch of a rocket designed, built and flown by SpaceX, a 10-year-old U.S. company.
The rocket lofted an unmanned capsule, which Friday will become the first commercial craft to attempt to dock with the International Space Station. For NASA, the moment marked a transition. Instead of flying the space shuttle, the agency is now renting rides into space. Here are some facts about SpaceX:Here are two interviews from 2009 and 2011 with Charlie Rose.

http://www.charlierose.com/guest/view/6716

fluffybiscuits
23-05-2012, 04:45 PM
Man this is one clever guy! No wonder he is on top of everything he just seems to ooze creativity. He has a degree in both physics and business and has a masters in physics!

Sam Lord
23-05-2012, 07:28 PM
Great Name.

Count Bobulescu
23-05-2012, 08:37 PM
Great Name.
It’s not easily forgotten. While I’m still in fantasy land, here’s an unrelated piece about a 100 year space project.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/starship-dreamers-launch-100-year-mission-with-darpa-grant/2012/05/22/gIQA2k8wiU_story.html?wpisrc=nl_headlines


Humanity’s journey to the stars is beginning with . . . a modest government grant.
The dreamers at the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency last week announced an award of $500,000 to a former astronaut to launch an effort to — someday — send explorers to another star system.
It’s a huge job, impractical with existing technology. That’s why the 100 Year Starship Study project will start by building a community of space enthusiasts, engineers, technologists, futurists, scientists and dreamers to chip away at a panoply of technical, financial and social challenges — while seeking funds to keep the effort afloat.
“The first step is to get the seed money to grow into something more while also getting the public engaged,” said Mae Jemison, the former astronaut whom DARPA chose to head the effort. “It has to become something that has its own momentum.”
In 50 years of space exploration, humans have hardly made it out of the driveway of our home planet. NASA’s trips to the moon took three days each way. Mars, the next planet over, is nine months distant by robotic flier. At the speeds attained on those trips, the journey to the nearest neighboring star would take tens of thousands of years.
A starship, then, will need giant engines that draw more power than we know how to produce, said Les Johnson, a NASA scientist who has worked on designs for robotic probes to travel outside our solar system. “There’s no law of physics that says it won’t work,” he said. “Maybe if we get creative in our engineering we can do this.”
In its grant solicitation, DARPA wrote that it wants to “foster a rebirth of a sense of wonder” while encouraging research that will pay dividends here on Earth.

C. Flower
23-05-2012, 08:43 PM
:D
(An electric powered DeLorean will launch next year).

Part of the FG jobs plan ?

Count Bobulescu
24-05-2012, 02:42 AM
:D

Part of the FG jobs plan ?
Saw a photo from the NY motor show. It looks as if they’ve dusted off all those 1980’s frames and stuck a battery in. At $95K, I predict another flop.

Count Bobulescu
24-05-2012, 07:04 PM
SpaceX capsule successfully completes practice run at docking with the ISS. Real thing tomorrow.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/05/24/usa-spaceship-idUSB16298720120524


CAPE CANAVERAL, Fla., May 24 (Reuters) - Space Exploration Technologies' Dragon spaceship flew smoothly through a practice drive by the International Space Station on Thursday, clearing the way for it to become the first private vessel to reach the orbital outpost.
If Dragon continues to operate as planned, it will fly to within about 30 feet (9 metres) of the $100 billion station on Friday and shut down its maneuvering thrusters so the station crew can snare it with a robotic crane and hook it onto a docking port.
Dragon took a test drive by the station early on Thursday, coming as close as about 1.5 miles (2.4 km) as the two vessels soared around the planet at 17,500 miles per hour (28,164 kph).

Count Bobulescu
05-08-2013, 05:01 AM
Musk is currently the hottest tech entrepreneur in the US at the moment. He has said he will publicize his plans for a completely new form of transport by August 12. The Hyperloop sounds crazy, but with Musk's track record of PayPal, Tesla Motors, SpaceX, and SolarCity few are willing to bet against him for the moment. Some advance copy below.



Hyperloop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop)

Elon Musk Hyperloop plans: Here's what it might look like. (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CGkQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slate.com%2Fblogs%2Ffuture_te nse%2F2013%2F07%2F15%2Felon_musk_hyperloop_plans_h ere_s_what_it_might_look_like.html&ei=th7_UdfNBNGx4APZrYDoBg&usg=AFQjCNGIrWYgHA3f7Y8WAEjdECVQ3SVaMg&sig2=Qek_GkXJRMeR17AS5AEb0g&bvm=bv.50165853,d.dmg)
Enter Tesla and SpaceX visionary Elon Musk with one of the craziest-sounding ideas in transportation history. For a while now, Musk has been hinting at an idea he calls the Hyperloop (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop)—a ground-based transportation technology that would get people from Los Angeles to San Francisco in under half an hour, for less than 1/10 the cost of building the high-speed rail line. Oh, and this 800-mph system would be self-powered, immune to weather, and would never crash.



What is the Hyperloop? So far Musk hasn’t gotten very specific, though he once called it “a cross between a Concorde and a railgun and an air hockey table (http://allthingsd.com/20130530/tesla-ceo-and-spacex-founder-elon-musk-the-full-d11-interview-video/).” But we’ll soon find out more. On Monday, Musk tweeted that he will publish an “alpha design” for the Hyperloop by Aug. 12 (https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/356776740409974785). Responding to questions on Twitter, he indicated that the plans would be open-source, and that he would consider a partnership with someone who shared his vision. Perhaps the best clue came when he responded to an engineer named John Gardi, who published a diagram of his best guess as to how the Hyperloop might work:

fluffybiscuits
07-08-2013, 03:13 PM
Musk is currently the hottest tech entrepreneur in the US at the moment. He has said he will publicize his plans for a completely new form of transport by August 12. The Hyperloop sounds crazy, but with Musk's track record of PayPal, Tesla Motors, SpaceX, and SolarCity few are willing to bet against him for the moment. Some advance copy below.



Hyperloop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperloop)

Elon Musk Hyperloop plans: Here's what it might look like. (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CGkQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.slate.com%2Fblogs%2Ffuture_te nse%2F2013%2F07%2F15%2Felon_musk_hyperloop_plans_h ere_s_what_it_might_look_like.html&ei=th7_UdfNBNGx4APZrYDoBg&usg=AFQjCNGIrWYgHA3f7Y8WAEjdECVQ3SVaMg&sig2=Qek_GkXJRMeR17AS5AEb0g&bvm=bv.50165853,d.dmg)

Skimming this thread and seeing what this man is about it has made my thought processes think that perhaps now that he has made his fortune this is like a pet project by making the plans open source. Ideas wise this is an ambitious project, a major new platform that will run on very high speed. This is the equivelant of going to Galway in approx 15-20 mins !

http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/how-elon-musk-can-build-the-hyperloop-in-10-days-for-a-tenth-the-cost-of-high-speed-rail

Vice.com is hypothesisng that the technology used may be based on current technology that is over a century old and used to shift large amounts of money. I got very confused as the article went into the basics of the physics that may be used but it all appears to make sense, perhaps those with a sounder scientific mind might be good enough to extrapolate all the basics for me in even more layman terms! This is going to revolutionise train travel...

Count Bobulescu
09-08-2013, 11:37 PM
Oops! maybe Elon tweeted too soon. We'll see with Monday's announcement.

ELON MUSK: 'I'm Too Strung Out' To Build The Hyperloop Myself (http://www.businessinsider.com/musk-wont-build-hyperloop-himself-2013-8)Musk says he 'shot himself in the foot' revealing Hyperloop (http://venturebeat.com/2013/08/07/hyperloop-elon-musk/)

random new yorker
10-08-2013, 04:11 AM
how come i didnt know abt this guy....love that the NYT says '.....whose ambitions include solving the worlds energy needs and colonizing the solar system.'

colonizing our solar system?

plans to export your grandkids to Mars?

He can export ME!

(puts my ambitions to shame)

[...back to another 'canadamerican'....this one with other attributes

a lot more 'earthly'... Ryan (Gosling)]

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(thx Count nice read for a change of pace)
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Count Bobulescu
13-08-2013, 06:13 AM
Here's the skinny on the Hyperloop. He's putting it out open source for modification. He has said that charging people only $20 to travel L.A. to San Fran in less than thirty minutes the system can pay for itself in 20 years.

Hyperloop' images: Renderings of Elon Musk's concept (http://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/hyperloop-images-renderings-of-elon-musks-concept/2013/08/12/9e78ba2a-039e-11e3-88d6-d5795fab4637_gallery.html)
Elon Musk's Futuristical Napkin Drawing of a Mass Transit System (http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/08/elon-musks-futuristical-napkin-drawing-of-a-mass-transit-system/278608/)
Except for All the Details, Elon Musk's Hyperloop Sounds Awesome (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/08/except-all-details-elon-musks-hyperloop-sounds-awesome/68248/) Elon Musk, the billionaire behind SpaceX private rockets and Tesla electric cars, has revealed his plan for the Hyperloop (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/05/elon-musks-hyperloop-hype/65774/), a sort of love child of an air hockey table and the train from Logan's Run (http://ultramodernstyle.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Cardesigns_21_Logans_Run_MazeCar_Transportation_tu be.jpg), that he says can shoot passengers and their cars from San Francisco to Los Angeles in 30 minutes using solar power.

Introducing Elon Musk's Hyperloop (http://www.bloomberg.com/video/introducing-elon-musk-s-hyperloop-AxdgZ6VcQY2omv7CyHsm9Q.html)Document: Read Elon Musk's 'Hyperloop Alpha' plan - San Jose ... (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=5&ved=0CE0QFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.mercurynews.com%2Fbusiness%2F ci_23845964%2Fdocument-read-elon-musks-hyperloop-alpha-plan&ei=a3AJUubkFYTCywGF3YDADQ&usg=AFQjCNEpHxcMWeH1-wi09TyrBnrIg1-wjg&sig2=b7ojoKg7Y1AWjtm3AmKb7Q&bvm=bv.50500085,d.aWc)
http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_23845964/document-read-elon-musks-hyperloop-alpha-plan

random new yorker
13-08-2013, 06:46 PM
yep heard this first thing on NPR today....all of a sudden this boy is all over the place...sure he will make the news for some time to come

dislike the comments section on first link.....

as far as i'm concerned anyone who makes 1Billion dollars is expected to have 'adventurous' ideas...

besides this girl would very much enjoy to get across the north country in 1h or so....no plane rides...mmmmm....i like how it sounds already!! if he does this overland then its only a matter of time we 'fly' in 'air-tubes' over the ocean, and now that we are experimenting with ideas, why not under water so we get to further enjoy and explore our wonderful oceans?

love adventurous minds..

is all i have to say today.

morticia
13-08-2013, 09:19 PM
Yes, go, Elon! If there's anyone who can help save us all from the twin evils of peak oil and climate change, it might just be him.

+1000

fluffybiscuits
13-08-2013, 10:35 PM
yep heard this first thing on NPR today....all of a sudden this boy is all over the place...sure he will make the news for some time to come

dislike the comments section on first link.....

as far as i'm concerned anyone who makes 1Billion dollars is expected to have 'adventurous' ideas...

besides this girl would very much enjoy to get across the north country in 1h or so....no plane rides...mmmmm....i like how it sounds already!! if he does this overland then its only a matter of time we 'fly' in 'air-tubes' over the ocean, and now that we are experimenting with ideas, why not under water so we get to further enjoy and explore our wonderful oceans?

love adventurous minds..

is all i have to say today.

Read the plans on the BBC today , its ambitious in the extreme anyhoo its going to cost a couple of billion to build . It will travel at a neck breaking speed of 700 km/h and you do not want to be in a hyperloop accident if that is the case! A similar idea was patented in America years ago that would have went at 4000 mph or NY to Beijing in what, an hour? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23681266 . Train travel costs are much higher and the cost of building this thing is at least an eight of what it costs to maintain a train system . Cost effective solutions like this are in short supply , factors that are gong to effect it are energy needed to run it and what about hidden costs?

Shaadi
13-08-2013, 10:48 PM
Love the idea, but the carriages look like they're one seat wide, what happens if someone has a medical emergency?

random new yorker
13-08-2013, 10:59 PM
Read the plans on the BBC today , its ambitious in the extreme anyhoo its going to cost a couple of billion to build . It will travel at a neck breaking speed of 700 km/h and you do not want to be in a hyperloop accident if that is the case! A similar idea was patented in America years ago that would have went at 4000 mph or NY to Beijing in what, an hour? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-23681266 . Train travel costs are much higher and the cost of building this thing is at least an eight of what it costs to maintain a train system . Cost effective solutions like this are in short supply , factors that are gong to effect it are energy needed to run it and what about hidden costs?

looks like he is not lacking in "Billions" .... i find it an interesting idea but from everything i've seen he forgot the factor "Americans LOVE their cars"

not sure many people survive car accidents at the much lower 100mph..in case of an accident it'll be like a plane crash with the added advantage of not knowing it will happen

so having said that, if anything is ever tested in the US I see highly populated countries in Asia (Japan China) signing on a lot faster than any american city mayor.... my opinion, i could be wrong

you back in Ireland yet or still travelin the US? did you check out Amtrak? you would understand why Elon is coming up with such brilliant ideas...although nothing is worse than the Long Island Rail Road...

random new yorker
13-08-2013, 11:01 PM
Love the idea, but the carriages look like they're one seat wide, what happens if someone has a medical emergency?

i think the design is taking into account you're traveling at 700mph, do NOT have any funky heart conditions, are not claustrophobic, are not risk averse, are in a hurry and in for the fun.

fluffybiscuits
13-08-2013, 11:56 PM
looks like he is not lacking in "Billions" .... i find it an interesting idea but from everything i've seen he forgot the factor "Americans LOVE their cars"

not sure many people survive car accidents at the much lower 100mph..in case of an accident it'll be like a plane crash with the added advantage of not knowing it will happen

so having said that, if anything is ever tested in the US I see highly populated countries in Asia (Japan China) signing on a lot faster than any american city mayor.... my opinion, i could be wrong

you back in Ireland yet or still travelin the US? did you check out Amtrak? you would understand why Elon is coming up with such brilliant ideas...although nothing is worse than the Long Island Rail Road...

This day three weeks I will be in NY, grabbin a coffee ? Im in Brooklyn!

Asian countries are open to technology like this, bullet trains...!

Count Bobulescu
14-08-2013, 04:52 AM
Love the idea, but the carriages look like they're one seat wide, what happens if someone has a medical emergency? Each carriage is designed to hold 28 people. A second option to build a system that would take cars, would raise the price from 6 to 10 Billion. What do you do if you have a medical emergency 30,000 feet over the Atlantic? In these carriages people would experience G forces similar to a roller coaster.

Count Bobulescu
14-08-2013, 05:09 AM
Yes, go, Elon! If there's anyone who can help save us all from the twin evils of peak oil and climate change, it might just be him.

+1000

In case you missed it earlier, I noted in the OP that Elon is a/the leading investor in Solar City, the largest supplier of residential solar panels in the US. They will put panels on your roof for free. You make lease payments like a car. The panels have a life span of about 15 years.

With all the hype about the Hyperloop's speed and coolness etc. it's often overlooked that the plan calls for it to be 100% powered by solar energy. Which is way "cool" too.

Musk has said that even if this one never gets built, he will likely do some smaller one in the future just to demonstrate proof of principle.

Those who know, say the technology is not the issue. The real problem will be land acquisition, a minimum of 42,000 acres are needed for L.A. to San Fran, and government permitting. The alternative of building it on pillars above the existing Interstate 5 is thought to be too disruptive.

Musk says Hyperloop could be viable for city pairs that are up to 900 miles apart. It's hard to imagine it coming to more densely populated Europe, where land issues are even trickier, anytime soon. Milan to Hamburg?

fluffybiscuits
14-08-2013, 11:40 AM
In case you missed it earlier, I noted in the OP that Elon is a/the leading investor in Solar City, the largest supplier of residential solar panels in the US. They will put panels on your roof for free. You make lease payments like a car. The panels have a life span of about 15 years.

With all the hype about the Hyperloop's speed and coolness etc. it's often overlooked that the plan calls for it to be 100% powered by solar energy. Which is way "cool" too.

Musk has said that even if this one never gets built, he will likely do some smaller one in the future just to demonstrate proof of principle.

Those who know, say the technology is not the issue. The real problem will be land acquisition, a minimum of 42,000 acres are needed for L.A. to San Fran, and government permitting. The alternative of building it on pillars above the existing Interstate 5 is thought to be too disruptive.

Musk says Hyperloop could be viable for city pairs that are up to 900 miles apart. It's hard to imagine it coming to more densely populated Europe, where land issues are even trickier, anytime soon. Milan to Hamburg?

The way could be paved for it through compulsory land purchases I suppose . The bullet trains that are in operation at the moment work off nuclear power, not suggesting this is going to be a source solely but could be used alongside solar panels. The same basis for interconnecting train systems in Europe could be the same basis for any inter European hyperloop that gets built. Uncannily there are a lot of similarities with how they are structured .

Count Bobulescu
15-08-2013, 04:24 AM
MUSK'S HYPERLOOP'S POLICY IMPLICATIONS - Entrepreneur Elon Musk's much-discussed new transportation proposal could spell trouble for high-speed rail, even though Hyperloop won't be a reality anytime soon, Pro's Kevin Robillard reports: "For Republicans and interest groups looking to stop construction of the stimulus-funded project connecting San Diego and Sacramento, Musk's futuristic transportation vision is yet another reason to oppose high-speed rail. ... 'If Musk's hyperloop technology works, it'll be a vast improvement over the current high speed rail proposal in California, where costs have more than doubled, estimated travel speeds have slowed, and potential ridership numbers have decreased,' said House Railroads Subcommittee Chairman Jeff Denham said. ... While Musk says he's plenty busy with his existing business ventures, and no government or private entity has publicly expressed interest in the Hyperloop, Musk has given high-speed rail opponents a theoretical alternative. ... High-speed rail's defenders and Hyperloop skeptics have pointed out that Musk seems to be ignoring loads of potential problems." http://politico.pro/16atiyP


(http://go.politicoemail.com/?qs=8e5c7bdd332a83a4ef1454fef73517e8246abd98410af9 902d5751efba496b56)





Elon Musk's 800-mph Vision (http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/08/hyperloop-elon-musk/)
Solar-Powered, City-to-City (http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-08-12/revealed-elon-musk-explains-the-hyperloop)
Los Angeles to SF in 30 Minutes (http://news.yahoo.com/elon-musk-unveils-hyperloop-transport-concept-224638943.html)
"Like a Ride on Space Mountain" (http://news.cnet.com/8301-11386_3-57598185-76/elon-musk-on-the-hyperloop-its-like-getting-a-ride-on-space-mountain/)
A Closer Look at the Hyped Loop (http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2013/08/13/211386439/a-closer-look-at-elon-musks-much-hyped-hyperloop)
USA Today: Why It Won't Work (http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2013/08/13/hyperloop-elon-musk-tesla-space-x/2646969/)
Musk: 21st Century Industrialist (http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2012-09-13/elon-musk-the-21st-century-industrialist)
Physics 101 With Ph.D. Dropout (http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-08-12/hyperloop-physics-101-with-elon-musk)
Why He Dreams So Big (http://www.forbes.com/sites/hannahelliott/2013/08/13/elon-musks-hyperloop-why-he-dreams-so-big/)
Musk Will Do This Himself (http://www.forbes.com/sites/hannahelliott/2013/08/12/latest-update-elon-musk-will-start-the-hyperloop-himself/)
Few Experts Want to Discuss (http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/experts-talk-hyperloop-plan/story?id=19949274)
NPR: Why the World Pays Heed (http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2013/08/13/211684662/why-the-world-pays-attention-when-elon-musk-proposes-an-idea)




Elon Musk's Hyperloop Hits Wall of Skepticism (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424127887323446404579011083553854674.html?m od=djemITP_h)


Elon Musk (http://topics.wsj.com/person/M/Elon-Musk/1173)'s Hyperloop sped into a brick wall of political reality Tuesday as California politicians said there was little chance the billionaire inventor's idea for a futuristic transport system would be built soon or on the public's dime.

"I think it's a fascinating concept, but there's a long distance between imagination and implementation," said Bonnie Lowenthal, a Democrat who chairs the California State Assembly's Transportation Committee.
"Big infrastructure projects in California are very difficult," Ms. Lowenthal added. "We have very complicated funding, we have environmental protections, seismic faults and land acquisition—but that's just the shortlist."
Some critics of California's existing high-speed rail project, which has taken years to plan and will cost $68 billion, welcomed Mr. Musk's announcement—especially if the project were to be privately funded.


"I think it's a great opportunity for looking at a private-sector solution for more efficient transportation," said Ted Gaines, the Republican vice chair of the state Senate Transportation committee. Mr. Gaines said that he would support the project, but doubted that Democrats would back an alternative to the current plans for high-speed rail.

Dan Richard, chairman of California's high-speed rail authority, suggested that there was more to building a transportation system than just the technology.
"If and when Mr. Musk pursues his Hyperloop technology, we'll be happy to share our experience about what it really takes to build a project in California, across seismic zones, minimizing impacts on farms, businesses and communities and protecting sensitive environmental areas and species," he said.
My reaction to the naysayers is that seismic activity etc. hasn't stopped them from paving over large chunks of SoCal and other areas so far.

'There is no redeeming feature of the Hyperloop (http://link.email.washingtonpost.com/r/MEPMRJ/5COMMG/X87E4J/S3NSOON/HYDNCT/9A/h).'

Internet tycoons herald a new era of innovation. Whether you call them vain or visionary, people like Elon Musk and Jeff Bezos are driving futuristic tech (http://us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=610c6c88d981c23e5c6638b14&id=79469ced8e&e=ffdd87b22c).

And in other Elon Musk news...................
Test's on his new reusable space rocket went exactly according to plan. Some people just have all the luck.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2013/08/14/spacexs-reusable-rocket-hits-another-milestone/

Count Bobulescu
09-04-2016, 04:09 AM
It's been a big week for Elon Musk.
Tesla Motors said Thursday it has now received 325,000 reservations for its new Model 3, which it says makes it "the single biggest one-week launch of any product ever."
Never mind that the first units of the car, a five-seat electric model costing $35,000, won't be available until late 2017. But apparently, the excitement alone is enough to keep reservation holders happy. If all the orders are eventually fulfilled, Tesla says it would equate to $14 billion in sales.
Then Friday night after four unsuccessful attempts, he achieved the milestone that will likely cut the cost of space travel by a big number, and make space cool again.http://www.spacex.com (http://www.spacex.com/)

C. Flower
09-04-2016, 02:56 PM
Well, thanks for that, Count.

An ultra-capitalist who likes state supports.

Apart from PayPal, which he is out of, do any of these things make money ?


an LA Times (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LA_Times) article revealed that SpaceX (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpaceX), Tesla Motors and SolarCity had together received an estimated US$4.9 billion in government subsidies; the article further noted Tesla Motors and SolarCity's dependence on government support, their continued annual financial net losses, and questioned the possibility of their self-sufficiency. Numerous analysts also pointed to large amounts of government support as a common point to all three of Musk's companies, with one analyst (Dan Dolev) arguing that Musk "definitely goes where there's government money".[119] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk#cite_note-119)

random new yorker
09-04-2016, 03:51 PM
Well, thanks for that, Count.

An ultra-capitalist who likes state supports.

Apart from PayPal, which he is out of, do any of these things make money ?

allow me to explain to you the difference between Government subsidies and Government contracts and grants.

Government subsidies is the European version of distribution of Euro dollars to companies for reasons such as Size of the Company, how many employees, how much it contributes to GDP, usually made at the discretion of a politician of some sort to benefit one town, one community or one individual.

Government contracts is the American version of distribution of tax dollars to companies after a fierce country wide competition, overseen by a committee subject to mandatory PEER review. To get a US government contract you need to show that whatever you are proposing will advance our knowledge/technology significantly.

Massive difference between the two. When you compete for a US Gov contract there is no guarantee you will get it. On the other hand Companies in EU only need to apply to subsidies, there is no competition and let alone peer review.

In other words only the best of the best get US gov monies and thus they are competing to go to Mars.

What about you guys in Europe, what have you done?

I, for example, compete for grants through my Company (a version of contracts but for research which gives you more freedom to operate) and I never felt one day of my existence that i am living on subsidies from the US government.

Count Bobulescu
09-04-2016, 06:02 PM
Re CF:
Well, thanks for that, Count.

An ultra-capitalist who likes state supports.

Apart from PayPal, which he is out of, do any of these things make money ?
Ah now, CF, that's a low blow. Very low!


Tesla stock is up 1,000% since 2013. Google just invested $1B in SpaceX valuing it @$12B. SolarCity is less spectacular but profitable and has revenues of about $400M a year.


Musk responded to the LA Times story, with an interview with them that put their comments in context, excerpts below.. All sectors of the energy and transportation industries receive government money in one form or another. But Musk has gotten a lot less than others, and has bigger plans to save the taxpayer huge amounts of money going forward. No doubt you'll lament the loss of public sector jobs, even if funding them requires ******** the taxpayer.



"If I cared about subsidies, I would have entered the oil and gas industry," said Musk, the chief executive of Tesla Motors (http://www.latimes.com/topic/business/automotive-industry/tesla-motors-ORCRP006147-topic.html) and SpaceX and the chairman of SolarCity.

Musk said the subsidies for Tesla and SolarCity are "a pittance" compared with government support of the oil and gas industry.

"What is remarkable about my companies is that they have been successful despite having such a tiny incentive from the government relative to our competitors," Musk told The Times.
A report late last year by the International Energy Agency said that the fossil fuels industry collects $550 billion a year in global government subsidies. That compares with about $120 billion for renewable energy, including wind, solar and biofuels, according to the Paris-based institution.
Those figures don't account for the vast difference in size between the two sectors.
But they also don't include the costs to society caused by pollution from oil and gas, Musk said.
Another measure, the one cited by Musk, was released by the International Monetary Fund (http://www.latimes.com/topic/business/macroeconomics/international-economic-institution/international-monetary-fund-ORGOV0000244-topic.html) last month and takes a wider view. The IMF said global energy subsidies amount to $5.3 trillion, including an estimated cost of the damage caused by energy consumption.

SpaceX — which has been awarded billions of dollars in government rocket launch contracts, but relatively few subsidies — also competes against companies Musk says are subsidized. United Launch Alliance, a joint venture of Boeing and Lockheed Martin (http://www.latimes.com/topic/business/manufacturing-engineering/aerospace-manufacturing/lockheed-martin-corp.-ORCRP009161-topic.html), receives an annual payment of about $1 billion for operational costs, even if it doesn't launch a rocket.
Representatives of United Launch Alliance were not immediately available to comment late Monday.
Tesla, Musk said, competes with a mature auto industry that has seen massive federal bailouts for General Motors and Chrysler.
"Tesla and Ford are the only American auto companies not to have gone bankrupt," Musk said.
SolarCity, he said, is in a nascent industry that must fight entrenched oil and gas interests that have myriad subsidies.

http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150602-story.html




Reusable rockets will save the taxpayer many billions. Musk is entitled to a few billion for that alone.



SpaceX, which employs 4,000 people, is offering cheaper rocket and satellite launches than were possible when NASA and the military were in charge. Musk says he can send a satellite into space for $60 million. His main private competitor, United Launch Alliance, a joint venture of Lockheed Martin and Boeing, spends $225 million, ULA’s website says.Reusable RocketsMusk’s money-saving strategy is to produce reusable rockets, which will return to Earth and land on a seagoing barge. SpaceX called off its second attempt at a barge landing, on Feb. 11, because of heavy seas. The company was due to try again in April. “Aircraft do tens of thousands of flights,” Musk told Bloomberg News in January. If SpaceX rockets can be reused, he said, the cost comes down to “$200,000 to $300,000 per flight in fuel and oxygen versus a $60 million rocket.”



Musk is to the energy/transport sector as Craig Venter was to the Human Genome Project. I wouldn't bet against either of them.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Craig_Venter

Dr. FIVE
10-04-2016, 09:33 PM
His ambitions seem to amount to little more than enclosure and rent. Remarkable how all this stuff gets dressed up and mystified

Count Bobulescu
14-06-2016, 07:38 PM
His ambitions seem to amount to little more than enclosure and rent. Remarkable how all this stuff gets dressed up and mystified

That's the most profound comment on the thread, dripping with sarcasm, envy, and jealousy. :rolleyes:This will really upset you. Tesla is far outpacing Google in collecting driving data for self drive cars. Google began it's program in 2009 and with relatively few cars has ammased 1.6M miles of data. Tesla which only began collecting data in 2014 has every car sold reporting data and collectively they've driven 780M miles in the last 18 months, and are adding 1M miles every 10 hours.http://qz.com/694520/tesla-has-780-million-miles-of-driving-data-and-adds-another-million-every-10-hours/

Count Bobulescu
01-05-2017, 11:48 PM
Today SpaceX made their 5th successful launch and recapture of a rocket so far this year.


SpaceX Launches Sensitive Military Mission, Nails Landing (https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-05-01/spacex-launches-sensitive-mission-for-military-nails-landing)


Also.........

There was a lot in Elon Musk's Friday talk at the TED conference. He talked about his plans for tunnels beneath LA (http://link.axios.com/click/9511094.1753/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYXhpb3MuY29tL2Vsb24tbXVzay0yMzgzMz cxNDUzLmh0bWw_dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1uZXdzbGV0dGVyJnV0bV9t ZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPW5ld3NsZXR0ZXJfYX hpb3Nsb2dpbg/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B7126500b), building 2-4 more gigafactories this year ("probably four"), a Tesla semi that handles like a sports car and why he's still hanging out with Donald Trump (http://link.axios.com/click/9511094.1753/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYXhpb3MuY29tL2Vsb24tbXVzay10YWxraW 5nLXRvLXRydW1wLWlzLWJldHRlci10aGFuLWZpZ2h0aW5nLWhp bS0yMjE5NzU0MDQwLmh0bWw_dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1uZXdzbGV0dG VyJnV0bV9tZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPW5ld3Ns ZXR0ZXJfYXhpb3Nsb2dpbg/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0B33b8fb15).
I tried to capture the high points here (http://link.axios.com/click/9511094.1753/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuYXhpb3MuY29tL2Vsb24tbXVzay0yMzgzMz cxNDUzLmh0bWw_dXRtX3NvdXJjZT1uZXdzbGV0dGVyJnV0bV9t ZWRpdW09ZW1haWwmdXRtX2NhbXBhaWduPW5ld3NsZXR0ZXJfYX hpb3Nsb2dpbg/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0C7126500b). If you want to see the talk for yourself, TED has posted the full interview online (http://link.axios.com/click/9511094.1753/aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cudGVkLmNvbS90YWxrcy9lbG9uX211c2tfdG hlX2Z1dHVyZV93ZV9yZV9idWlsZGluZ19hbmRfYm9yaW5nP3V0 bV9zb3VyY2U9bmV3c2xldHRlciZ1dG1fbWVkaXVtPWVtYWlsJn V0bV9jYW1wYWlnbj1uZXdzbGV0dGVyX2F4aW9zbG9naW4/58739f36cb4a2be3538b51c0Ba75de9ef).

Count Bobulescu
02-05-2017, 03:02 AM
22 minute vid of the May 1, launch and recapture. Launch begins at about the 10 min mark, and 12 minutes later the rocket lands upright.

http://www.spacex.com/webcast

TotalMayhem
02-05-2017, 10:53 AM
That'd be the launch of this mysterious spy satellite? ^^

Count Bobulescu
29-09-2017, 03:18 PM
30 minutes from Noo Yawk to Gay Paree at regular economy prices, gotta love it.........


Elon Musk talked Mars. The SpaceX CEO said the upcoming BFR rocket will be just one booster and ship (http://www.us5.list-manage.com/track/click?u=610c6c88d981c23e5c6638b14&id=567115f872&e=ffdd87b22c), and replace the Falcon 9, Falcon Heavy, and Dragon. The BFR will be able to service the ISS and reach Mars, he said. Musk also teased plans to fly people anywhere on earth (http://www.us5.list-manage2.com/track/click?u=610c6c88d981c23e5c6638b14&id=b09bf00a64&e=ffdd87b22c)—by rocket—in an hour.

Count Bobulescu
17-11-2017, 04:58 PM
Meanwhile SpaceX has had 17 successful rocket launches so far this year.........becoming routine........

eamo
30-11-2017, 11:01 PM
Elon Musk......nope...he ain't all he's cracked up to be:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKfqqGFCCkE"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKfqqGFCCkE


AND MAN...does he like his government subsidy:


A study published two years ago by The Los Angeles Times revealed that just three of Musk’s ventures – SolarCity Corp. (which manufactured and installed solar energy systems before its 2016 merger with Tesla Motors Inc.), Tesla Motors Inc. (which manufactures electric vehicles), and Space Exploration Technologies Corp., known as SpaceX (which builds rocket ships) – had received $4.9 billion in government subsidies to that point in time. By now, Musk’s various ventures have sucked well over $5 billion from government coffers.

From here:

http://beta.latimes.com/business/la-fi-hy-musk-subsidies-20150531-story.html

eamo
30-11-2017, 11:10 PM
And more:


But granting literally billions of dollars in taxpayer subsidies to Musk’s firms isn’t the worst of it. No, that honorific is reserved for this little gem: In order to induce car buyers to spend their money on electric vehicles, the federal government offers a $7,500 rebate on the purchase price.

Some states enhance that rebate with rebates of their own. In California, for instance, purchasers of electric vehicles get a state-funded rebate of $2,500 more.

There’s a phrase for that – it’s called “crony capitalism.” And it stinks.

From here:
http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/economy-budget/345338-can-we-wean-elon-musk-off-government-support-already

Count Bobulescu
01-12-2017, 09:27 PM
All old hat eamo. This article demonstrates that the government/taxpayer saves up to $350M every time they use SpaceX as opposed to ULA, the only viable alternative, to launch a satellite. 15 launches recovers $5B.


https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/06/air-force-budget-reveals-how-much-spacex-undercuts-launch-prices/



Granting EV credits is not confined to the US, nor is it in Musk's control. It's a gummint policy decision. I'd rather Musk benefit from the money than OPEC etc. He'll put it to better use.

eamo
04-12-2017, 02:33 PM
That ars technica (https://arstechnica.com/?from-us) site looks really informative. Serious articles on science stuff written in an easier to understand manner than the specialised scientific journals and papers.
The company that owns ars technica has recently dis-continued hiring unpaid and lowpaid interns. I could not find out was that because they found them a nuisance or they felt it was exploitation.

Anyway, it is not as clear-cut as you suggest. There is informed suspicion that SpaceX are loosing money on each launch just to get into the game. Also ULA are paid a bonus, a retainer might be the word, just to be always ready to launch at short notice. This is for national security reasons.
SpaceX would not have got where they are without the support and approval of the US state. Maybe because they dont like relying only on ULA or maybe they think ULA were overcharging, or maybe they think having two rivals will spur innovation. Who knows. At that level I am sure there are wheels within wheels and few things are as they seem on the surface.

Elon Musk seems like Michael O'Leary on a grander scale and not as obnoxious, and like Ryan Air, SpaceX would not exist without government help. They both like to ignore that fact.

His latest stunt is to use a new design of rocket to launch a Tesla car to orbit Mars......while playing David Bowie's Space Oddity on the car sound system.

No really.....here is the link if you don't believe me:

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/elon-musk-tesla-car-space-launch-david-bowie-mars-spacex-roadster-midnight-cherry-a8088176.html

Count Bobulescu
04-12-2017, 04:15 PM
That ars technica (https://arstechnica.com/?from-us) site looks really informative. Serious articles on science stuff written in an easier to understand manner than the specialised scientific journals and papers.
The company that owns ars technica has recently dis-continued hiring unpaid and lowpaid interns. I could not find out was that because they found them a nuisance or they felt it was exploitation.

Anyway, it is not as clear-cut as you suggest. There is informed suspicion that SpaceX are loosing money on each launch just to get into the game. Also ULA are paid a bonus, a retainer might be the word, just to be always ready to launch at short notice. This is for national security reasons.
SpaceX would not have got where they are without the support and approval of the US state. Maybe because they dont like relying only on ULA or maybe they think ULA were overcharging, or maybe they think having two rivals will spur innovation. Who knows. At that level I am sure there are wheels within wheels and few things are as they seem on the surface.

Elon Musk seems like Michael O'Leary on a grander scale and not as obnoxious, and like Ryan Air, SpaceX would not exist without government help. They both like to ignore that fact.

His latest stunt is to use a new design of rocket to launch a Tesla car to orbit Mars......while playing David Bowie's Space Oddity on the car sound system.

No really.....here is the link if you don't believe me:

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/elon-musk-tesla-car-space-launch-david-bowie-mars-spacex-roadster-midnight-cherry-a8088176.html

Ars Technica is one of the best, glad you liked it. I'd be very surprised if I was told SpaceX was making money, and not at all surprised if I was told it was losing a bucket. Tesla, with it's share price thru the roof, has lost billions and is still not yet reliably profitable.


It takes visionaries like Musk to take an idea and turn it into reality. It's no exaggeration to say he, (and a few others, biomedical people etc.), have a viable claim on the title Einstein of their Day.

At $150,000 the Tesla roadster is about the cheapest payload for the rocket test, why not then turn it into a PR stunt? :)

Count Bobulescu
20-01-2018, 06:09 PM
This is a longish read. It's a look by an investment research outfit at how Musk companies are disrupting eight different industries that they operate in.


https://www.cbinsights.com/research/report/elon-musk-companies-disruption/?utm_source=CB+Insights+Newsletter&utm_campaign=eee5934e29-FriNL_01_19_2018&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_9dc0513989-eee5934e29-86652701

Count Bobulescu
17-02-2018, 07:06 PM
Hyperloop news........

Little did I know when I started this thread, but 53 NY Ave NE is about 1/2 a mile from my warehouse...... Musk has also gotten a permit for a portion of the Maryland sector beginning about 5 miles north of where I live. Still a long way to go before we see it, but I wouldn't bet against Musk.......




D.C. TO NYC IN 30 MIN -- WAPO'S MICHAEL LARIS and JONATHAN O'CONNELL: "The Boring Company team has received an early, and vague, building permit from the D.C. government that will allow some preparatory and excavation work at the fenced-off parking lot at 53 New York Avenue NE (https://maps.google.com/?q=53+New+York+Avenue+NE&entry=gmail&source=g) beside a McDonald's and amid the construction cranes of Washington's booming NoMa neighborhood. Asked about the permit, issued Nov. 29, a Boring Company spokesman said Friday that 'a New York Avenue location, if constructed, could become a station' in a broad network of such stops across the new system." http://wapo.st/2GoS6df (http://go.politicoemail.com/?qs=21487a3387e651bf545ea0514a99390c22f87919a59056 6ac72ef86e046f78faf388dee1f94e72d1086e074e04acaf75 )

Count Bobulescu
12-05-2018, 09:17 PM
Elon Musk and SpaceX have done it again.

After a scrubbed launch window (https://arstechnica.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=af7f013bad7e785d15aab736f&id=3cda22102a&e=107b8ab3c8) on Thursday, the Block 5 variant of the Falcon 9 rocket took off and returned back to Earth for a sealanding on Friday afternoon. Maybe it seems ho-hum after all this time—SpaceX has more than 50 flights at this point, including pushing that Tesla towards Mars (https://arstechnica.us1.list-manage.com/track/click?u=af7f013bad7e785d15aab736f&id=28eda425ad&e=107b8ab3c8)—but this success is different. The Block 5 booster variant represents perhaps the final version of SpaceX's product as it pushes towards rapid and reusable launches.

Musk told Ars and others in a conference call this week that after slogging through the Block 5 development process, he is now convinced that rockets can be flown, landed, and flown again within 24 hours. “We still need to demonstrate it,” he said. “It’s not like we’ve done it. But it can be done.” And of Friday'ssuccess, he put it succinctly: “For those that know rockets, this is a ridiculously hard thing.”

So while it may not be the flashiest of SpaceX's accomplishments thus far, Friday's Block 5 event may be the success with the biggest practical impact going forward. If everything works as SpaceX engineers hope, these rockets will not need any “regular maintenance” between each flight down the line, and such work would only be done every 10 flights or so. Musk wants to test that with a relaunch within 24 hours eventually—even a one-week turnaround seems unprecedented for the aerospace history.

eamo
12-05-2018, 11:11 PM
He was in the news recently for taking the hump during some sort of question and answers thing. Maybe an AGM or something. When the questions got hard he called them "stupid questions" and wiped zazilions off his company's share price.