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C. Flower
30-04-2012, 02:40 PM
Namawinelake has earned the right to be listened to, on the Fiscal Stability Treaty, having proven to be Ireland's best informed and hardest working commentator(s) on the Irish economic crisis.

The article in full is an excellent read, full of useful context and observation. It gives an all round look at reasons for vote Yes and No, but havin done that, NWL says a very firm No, to the Treaty.

I've pulled out the key reasons for this -

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..ask yourself this question – will a “no” vote improve our chances of a renegotiation of our debt, damage our chances or leave our chances the same? The position on here is that a “no” vote will improve our chances by signalling that Ireland will be inconvenient and un-European and a “no” vote in a referendum one day may become a unilateral disowning of promissory notes the next. Unless Ireland adopts a stance which at least makes clear the threat of default then the view on here is we will get no-where. And as for the ECB and the withdrawal of its support, please, at this stage the ECB is lending about 3% of its balance sheet to Ireland, pretty much in line with our economic proportions in Europe– gone are the days of unprecedented assistance when our banks received 25% of all ECB lending.
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The ECB has a primary objective of “price stability” or in simple terms, keeping inflation at around 2% per annum. If the ECB printed so much new money that our inflation grew by 10% in 2012 then even if there was no real economic growth, our debt:GDP would decline by about 10% from 108% to 98%. That however would not suit other economies in Europe and it appears to be psychologically repugnant to Europe’s biggest economy,Germany. You could argue that the Compact will not alter the current position of the ECB independently working to preserve “price stability”, but the view on here is that this Compact is going a step further and pre-empting a request from a crisis-hit country and making it clear they will not find any comfort in monetary policy. And that is wrong....

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A “no” vote will rattle the cage of a Fine Gael/Labour government, a coalition with a massive majority but which has been complacent in its efforts to deal with the debt and deficit, a government which cost this country tens of millions of euro in interest by “grandstanding” in March 2011 and stopping us getting an interest rate reduction on the bailout funds for a further five months and only then on the back of Greece’s woes, a government which knew about the household charge for at least a year and yet oversaw the consequence-less fiasco whereby nearly half the households in the State have not paid the new tax, a government which showed contempt in its pursuit of the promotion of Kevin Cardiff to the European Court of Auditors and yet six months after uncovering a €3.6bn error in his Department’s calculation of the country’s debt we have yet to understand how the error occurred, a Government that has singularly failed to deal with the household mortgage and debt crisis and even this week has deferred the publication of a Personal Insolvency bill. And let’s not forget the weak-wristed efforts to reduce the burden of the bank bailout and to get a deal with Europeon repaying bondholders – yes the manifestos might have been drafted in Jesuitical terms, but these chickens come home to roost when the Government seeks our support.
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There are other reasons to vote “no” – the Compact is very restrictive and it may not be wise to bind ourselves in advance to remedies for unknown ailments, the rules would not have prevented our crisis in 2008 and its aftermath though they might have alleviated the subsequent size of the deficit and in any event we now have adopted the “six pack” rules now anyway, a key measure in the Fiscal Compact the structural deficit is not precisely defined, EU and non-Irish institutions and personnel will have a greater say in how Ireland manages its economy and as we have seen with our corporate tax and financial transaction taxes, others may have different agendas and may seek to promote their own national interests ahead of ours, we have twice suffered the ignominy of our financial affairs being available to the German parliament ahead of the Dail and on neither occasion has there been sanction though the Government is as unhappy about the leaks as anyone. As well as ruling out monetary policy as a tool to help crisis-hit countries, there is no attention given to stimulus for growth.
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Read, enjoy, discuss...


http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2012/04/29/the-fiscal-compact-referendum-on-31st-may-2012-the-position-advocated-on-here/

ang
30-04-2012, 05:24 PM
A very rounded view from Namawinelake.

To suggest signing on the dotted line for a deal you don't want or maybe don't even understand and hoping to negotiate a deal later is at best Stupid.

Lets be very clear the Government do not like this treaty and are hoping something will turn up to ensure the treaty is changed but whatever you do don't ask or expect your Government to defend Ireland in Europe, It will not happen.

MPB
30-04-2012, 06:10 PM
NamaWineLake is bang on the money. There are no good reasons for voting Yes to this treaty.

The we won,t get any more money argument is a fallacy and the Govt are at sixes and sevens in trying to explain the fact that they forgot about the IMF, when they went down the route of frightening people, by telling them that the ESM was the only game in town.

They are persistent in their claim that we won,t need another loan and yet are worried about access to a loan facility. They have,nt a clue.

I am just waiting on the dimwitted politicians opposed to the treaty to put forward the legitimate argument, that if the ESM refused to loan money to Ireland, Ireland would be perfectly within its rights to refuse to repay the Banking reparations part of the original deal with the EU/ECB.

This would see 5 billion in interest cut from our deficit overnight, as well as allowing us to sieze back Banking assets to the value of the forced raiding of our pension fund.

This in turn would allow us free up the guts of 20 billion for a job stimulus package.

Putting 100,000 people back to work would cut our deficit even further.

C. Flower
30-04-2012, 09:11 PM
1,458 billion has been stuffed in to the ECB since the Lehman's crisis. The idea that increasing the amount of dead money in the system will regenerate it is as futile as the idea that printing money can create value.

MPB
30-04-2012, 10:07 PM
1,458 billion has been stuffed in to the ECB since the Lehman's crisis. The idea that increasing the amount of dead money in the system will regenerate it is as futile as the idea that printing money can create value.

Where are the ECB getting all this money? They are not allowed print.

Do the people of Europe know that they are being run by the Federal Reserve?

Do people in the US know that their Central Bank is funding the Banking system in Europe?

Do the people in Europe know that the reason for their austerity is to repay the United States Federal Reserve?

Dr. FIVE
13-05-2012, 09:54 PM
Big post today. Sticking with a no

http://namawinelake.wordpress.com/2012/05/13/the-fiscal-compact-referendum-launch-of-no-on-line-poster/