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kerdasi amaq
19-04-2010, 01:19 PM
YouTube- ENOCH WAS RIGHT - Part 1

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I'll say, I don't want to see Ireland end up like England, even though there is a tiny minority in this country who are all agog to repeat every error the English make in social policy.

Note the music, in the clip, I'm sure it's from 'A Clockwork Orange'. Was Powell the model for the minister in that movie?

YouTube- ENOCH WAS RIGHT - Part 2

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YouTube- ENOCH WAS RIGHT - Part 3

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Maybe, I'm too inclined to pessimism, but Britain will become a less diverse place when all those white English, Welsh and Scots are eliminated from that island accross the water. Their birthrates are too low for those populations to sustain themselves against migrants.

Sam Lord
19-04-2010, 01:27 PM
No, he wasn't.

Have you noticed a river of blood somewhere?

Sam Lord
19-04-2010, 01:32 PM
He got caught out telling porky pies by the Sunday Times:

"One feature of his speech was the extensive quotation of a letter he claimed to have received detailing the experiences of one of his constituents in Wolverhampton. The writer described the fate of an elderly woman who was supposedly the last white person living in her street.

After The Sunday Times branded his speeches "racialist", Powell sued it for libel, but withdrew when he was required to provide the letters he had quoted from."

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Sam Lord
19-04-2010, 01:39 PM
I think the claim of the OP is at least debatable ...

So I would suggest the thread title be adjusted to "Was Enoch Powell right?"

kerdasi amaq
19-04-2010, 01:49 PM
I think the claim of the OP is at least debatable ...

So I would suggest the thread title be adjusted to "Was Enoch Powell right?"

Yes, that's fine with me.

I think those clips bring out the disconnection from reality that "progressive" liberals suffer from.

C. Flower
19-04-2010, 01:53 PM
Yes, that's fine with me.

I think those clips bring out the disconnection from reality that "progressive" liberals suffer from.

I can't watch the videos right now, but I have lived in mixed communities for several years of my life, and don't have any worries about them. I do worry about living in communities with no hospitals, schools, youth facilities or jobs.

Sam Lord
19-04-2010, 02:17 PM
Yes, that's fine with me.

I think those clips bring out the disconnection from reality that "progressive" liberals suffer from.

I note that you post on a lot of racist sites. In fact to be more clear you post racist stuff on racist sites ...

Why do you feel compelled to bring your agenda here? Are you not sufficiently
at home amongst those of your ilk?

Rich
19-04-2010, 02:25 PM
Enoch Powell was not right not as a Conservative, and not as an Ulster Unionist. He was a political carpetbagger who made speeches but achieved very little.

Sam Lord
19-04-2010, 02:40 PM
Enoch Powell was not right not as a Conservative, and not as an Ulster Unionist. He was a political carpetbagger who made speeches but achieved very little.

You are correct Rich ... he was a complete political opportunist. MP for the midlands for nearly two decades without ever mentioning immigration and then in 1968 he makes this outlandish speech forecasting "rivers of blood" completely out of the blue in a misguided attempt to boost his chances of becoming leader of the Conservative party.

The less said about his years as a Unionist MP the better.

Sam Lord
19-04-2010, 02:51 PM
Maybe, I'm too inclined to pessimism, but Britain will become a less diverse place when all those white English, Welsh and Scots are eliminated from that island accross the water. Their birthrates are too low for those populations to sustain themselves against migrants.

Like who really gives a fiddlers whether the population of Britain has white, brown or yellow skin, green blue or brown eyes, or red or blond hair?

It is a matter of complete indifference.

MediaBite
19-04-2010, 03:05 PM
For goodness sake. We are all just people. Nation states are becoming increasingly irrelevant anyway and quite frankly, good riddance to them. Nothing but trouble was ever caused by the existence of national borders and people should be free to move about on the planet as they choose. Not be fenced in by artificially constructed, imaginary prison walls, erected by rich people solely for the protection of resources which they monopolise and only share with us as bedgrudgingly as possible. Poor people of all nationalities and creeds have more in common with each other than they do with their respective elites.

Captain Con O'Sullivan
19-04-2010, 03:37 PM
I often wonder whether people who are instinctively scared of anyone who isn't the same colour as them or from the same little village how they ever managed to take a holiday?

Or do they just sit scared in a hotel room unwilling to go out if they finds themselves in that 'abroad' place?

toxic avenger
19-04-2010, 07:41 PM
The OP is a complete racist, with a track record of racist posts on P.ie. I don't report posts often but felt compelled to report one of his last week.

C. Flower
19-04-2010, 07:43 PM
The OP is a complete racist, with a track record of racist posts on P.ie. I don't report posts often but felt compelled to report one of his last week.

Haven't had a chance to watch these videos. Has anyone else?

Are they within site rules ?

toxic avenger
19-04-2010, 07:57 PM
Haven't had a chance to watch these videos. Has anyone else?

Are they within site rules ?

The videos themselves are within the rules. The poster who put them up will eventually and inevitably expose his own racism.

Lapsedmethodist
19-04-2010, 10:59 PM
Good lord! Was Enoch right ? Next we'll have people posting about Ron Paul and the renew America ***** ! After that global warming is a trick by gadless commnists!
This is Ireland...*can we stick to taigs and jaffas please!

Summerday Sands
19-04-2010, 11:07 PM
No he was wrong.

The ironic thing about Powell, that rascists who admire him never admit, is that he had big hand in promoting immigration to Britain after the War. His department sent emissaries to the West Indies to recruit workers especially nurses for the NHS.

Lapsedmethodist
19-04-2010, 11:09 PM
No he was wrong.

The ironic thing about Powell, that rascists who admire him never admit, is that he had big hand in promoting immigration to Britain after the War. His department sent emissaries to the West Indies to recruit workers especially nurses for the NHS.

To that you can add the officers of the former Indian Army who went to Pakistan to recruit former soldiers for the mills of Northern England.

kerdasi amaq
20-04-2010, 01:47 AM
The trouble with so-called anti-racists is that they expect everyone to agree implicitly with everything they say, and denounce as "racist" anyone who disagrees with them.

What's a "racist"?

Someone who's winning an argument with a liberal.

Sam Lord
20-04-2010, 02:17 AM
The trouble with so-called anti-racists is that they expect everyone to agree implicitly with everything they say, and denounce as "racist" anyone who disagrees with them.

What's a "racist"?

Someone who's winning an argument with a liberal.

Go off to Stormfront, we are not interested here.

herman van rompuy's brain
20-04-2010, 02:18 PM
Enoch Powell was a clever man but a misguided racist opportunitist and an overall nasty piece of work.

The author of OP appears to most of the above with the one rather obvious exception.

Rich
20-04-2010, 03:55 PM
The trouble with so-called anti-racists is that they expect everyone to agree implicitly with everything they say, and denounce as "racist" anyone who disagrees with them.

What's a "racist"?

Someone who's winning an argument with a liberal.

The trouble with racists is that they view their world outlook as perfectly normal, and are aghast that anybody would challenge that view on such a fundamental level. They prompt their members into hardline stances, yet get all upset when others take a hard line with them.

"What is a racist?"

An ignorant, scared individual who can't get on in the world and needs someone to blame. Kind of like an angry Mr Bean with his head shaved.

C. Flower
20-04-2010, 04:12 PM
Obsessive racism seems to me to be more like a kind of poison that an outlook. Otherwise rational people lose all their normal ability to process information under its influence.

pluralist
29-12-2017, 10:50 PM
Obsessive racism seems to me to be more like a kind of poison that an outlook. Otherwise rational people lose all their normal ability to process information under its influence.

Does that relate to nationalism, as (please feel free to correct me if I am mistaken) you are rather a fan of Irish nationalism, but you are not a fan of British nationalism, IIRC.

Trow
30-12-2017, 11:11 PM
I think the claim of the OP is at least debatable ...

So I would suggest the thread title be adjusted to "Was Enoch Powell right?"

What was the original thread title? .....''Was Enoch Powell wrong?''

pluralist
30-12-2017, 11:37 PM
This is an old thread, and I probably shouldn't have bumped it. Powell was basically wrong, the 'rivers of blood' never materialised, fortunately.

Interesting character, though.

Shaadi
31-12-2017, 06:20 PM
Does that relate to nationalism, as (please feel free to correct me if I am mistaken) you are rather a fan of Irish nationalism, but you are not a fan of British nationalism, IIRC.

One man's Nationalism in another man's eyes is intolerance. Would you agree that there's such a thing as Euronationalism which can be seen in the Europhiles bitterness towards Brexit? I find it amusing to see Europhile posters who used to decry NI Nationalism as being anti-British bigotry who themselves now churn out kneejerk anti-British comments to beat the band.