Survey claims 72% of emigrants are leaving jobs in Ireland

[Sam Lord]

A survey conducted by Ipsos MRBI for The Irish Times claims that:



....72 per cent of those surveyed were in paid jobs when they decided to emigrate, while 28 per cent were unemployed.


Now, who could believe that ?

[antiestablishmentarian]

Now, who could believe that ?

The terminally stupid or Blueshirt hacks? Certainly not the case with those of my workmates who are Irish, the girls from Longford and Donegal who work in the café next door to our store-room for 15 bucks an hour, and most of those over here to work in the mining or construction industry.

[Apjp]

The terminally stupid or Blueshirt hacks? Certainly not the case with those of my workmates who are Irish, the girls from Longford and Donegal who work in the café next door to our store-room for 15 bucks an hour, and most of those over here to work in the mining or construction industry.

The 20'000 Irish people living in Paris certainly didn't all get there by choice alone. Though you could pick a worse place to end up. I think we can take comfort from the fact that most Irish people back home don't read the IT and know what's really going on.

[Apjp]

It's obviously spin.

[gfmurphy101]

Key to research is "The sample was identified by Ipsos MRBI interviewers and research took place between March 1st and 13th. It covered emigrants across the globe."
How/who did they identify? ?????
The devil and more times the truth is in the detail, suppose must wait til tomorrow for that!

[disability student]

Don't forget that Irish times is the govt's official media cheerleader. They are working together to eliminate the negativity and inserting the govt's spin.

This poll is only a poll not to be taken seriously nor sure predicator as the electorate changes very quickly.

[morticia]

I'm not sure it is entirely spin. Of the 4 individuals/couples I know of who emigrated over the last 2 years, 4/7ths had well paid jobs here and left for better paid ones abroad. The more sinister angle to this is that some of these will be leaving behind large mortgages, many of which may, in the fullness of time, not be paid off.

It is worth remembering that those in work (but maybe teetering on insolvency after pay cuts, tax rises and maybe a spouse's unemployment) will find it far easier to find work abroad while still officially employed. What is even more worrying is that there is no cross-talk between European and US/Canadian credit ratings and European ones, making it very easy to disappear abroad, set yourself up, and default on the mortgage back home without your new banking system knowing anything about it. TBH, I'm not sure even how easy it would be for them to chase you as far as the UK?

Also worth remembering that many professionals working in the likes of AIB or any of the other State banks at the moment may well choose to jump before they are pushed. I know of at least one instance of AIB employees taking off for London before the redundancies kick in. They still count as employed.... right now....

[Dr. FIVE]

only 300 polled including some who left in 08

guff

[morticia]

only 300 polled including some who left in 08

guff

300 isn't an awful lot. However, there was some stuff on the news the other night about perhaps 2/3-4/5ths of those showing up for the working abroad expo being not qualified enough to get anywhere. And those that are, can often get work at home (although whether they want to or not is an open question these days).

We need to seriously reform the education system. There is little demand for unskilled labour any more.

[C. Flower]

Key to research is "The sample was identified by Ipsos MRBI interviewers and research took place between March 1st and 13th. It covered emigrants across the globe."
How/who did they identify? ?????
The devil and more times the truth is in the detail, suppose must wait til tomorrow for that!

It's spin of course. Plenty of people are going because they have no work. If they are self-employed and loss making, were they still counted as in employment? Some people with jobs are leaving because they know their jobs won't last. Others are leaving with their unemployed partners. Others because they fear what is coming here.

Were they "forced out"? Well, not precisely at gunpoint, but if there were future employment prospects for them here, they would in the main not be going.

[disability student]

Half of my class went abroad for jobs as there wasn't any jobs available in the business sector.

1/3 stayed on to further study and a good few remain unemployed.

The truth is out there was that there isn't any work with regards to permanent jobs available nor new employment created with which in a consquence of govt's policies to create a stagnant economy and depressing it further when the govt kick the can down the road with more CUTS coming in the next 4 or five budgets with NO proper employment creation policies.. most of it was internships/jobsbridge- these are a temporary measure to get them off the unemployment register.

Lot of people are staring at that unplatable & uncomfortable truth. Exports won't ride us out as it consists of some 60Bn which was returned to their parent companies abroad in the form of tax evasion.

Here GNP foe 2010 is 145BN
GDP is 205BN- a huge difference of 60BN.

[Sam Lord]

No end of columns in the IT again today devoted to emigration ... based on their bogus "survey". All extolling the happiness and well being of those who have left the country. The IT appears to have embarked upon a dedicated campaign to encourage emigration. I guess people are not leaving quickly enough for the ruling circles in Ireland.

At the same time they don't want to discourage foreign investment so it has to be repeatedly stressed that Ireland is fantastic and wonderful and everyone intends to return home to the best place in the world in the not too distant future. At the moment, however, their lives are universally marvellous elsewhere. ;)

[antiestablishmentarian]

300 isn't an awful lot. However, there was some stuff on the news the other night about perhaps 2/3-4/5ths of those showing up for the working abroad expo being not qualified enough to get anywhere. And those that are, can often get work at home (although whether they want to or not is an open question these days).

We need to seriously reform the education system. There is little demand for unskilled labour any more.

Seriously Mort, you think people in their 40s and 50s, like many at the Expo, are not serious about working if they're interested in getting overseas?

[morticia]

Seriously Mort, you think people in their 40s and 50s, like many at the Expo, are not serious about working if they're interested in getting overseas?

Oh, I believe they're really serious about working. The problem is, the people on the stands are saying that many are not qualified enough to be hired by them, so they won't end up getting to go abroad. That was the point the interviewees were making on the News, anyway.

[morticia]

At the same time they don't want to discourage foreign investment so it has to be repeatedly stressed that Ireland is fantastic and wonderful and everyone intends to return home to the best place in the world in the not too distant future. At the moment, however, their lives are universally marvellous elsewhere. ;)

I'm pretty cynical about this. It appears FDI/Irish industry is pretty risk averse in its hiring practices; you look at science/pharma and they want those that are already qualified AND trained, but don't really want to train them themselves. Where they've hit a sweet spot in Ireland in particular is that there are a vast number of expats with the requisite training acquired abroad who are gagging to come back. So everyone's happy, except for those who would prefer not to have to leave in the first place.

Sigh. The best we can do for people is to equip them with the best skills possible, which is why I'm inclined to think the government should be cutting everything EXCEPT education and training. Not that they're listening to me.

[Apjp]

No end of columns in the IT again today devoted to emigration ... based on their bogus "survey". All extolling the happiness and well being of those who have left the country. The IT appears to have embarked upon a dedicated campaign to encourage emigration. I guess people are not leaving quickly enough for the ruling circles in Ireland.

At the same time they don't want to discourage foreign investment so it has to be repeatedly stressed that Ireland is fantastic and wonderful and everyone intends to return home to the best place in the world in the not too distant future. At the moment, however, their lives are universally marvellous elsewhere. ;)

Its stupid though. They encourage emigration, yet they encourage big companies like Google to set up here, who then have trouble finding the right staff.