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C. Flower
10-02-2012, 10:50 PM
The Cedar Lounge Revolution has an interesting guest post on Eamon Gilmore.

My first reaction to Gilmore opting for "Foreign Affairs" was that he was looking for early retirement.

Since absorbing the wikileaks cable in which his communications on the Lisbon Treaty with the US Embassy were revealed, and watching his recent international business, I've begun to think he may have some kind of more serious mission.

Anyway, a thread on this fascinating man is sure to be interesting.

http://cedarlounge.wordpress.com/2012/02/10/an-open-email-to-eamon-gilmore/


Dear Eamon,

Many thanks for the email today.
In your email today, you write “Investment in Ireland and job creation are top of the agenda for this Government.” That’s funny. If job creation is top of the agenda, why did the government approve a budget which will directly cost, according to detailed analysis, up to 20,000 jobs? For more, see here.

You write about your trip this week to the United States and the “’Invest in Ireland conference organised by the Global Irish Network an international business group, backed Department, with over 300 of the most influential Irish and Irish connected individuals from around the world.”

You clearly enjoy being in the presence of the most influential Irish and Irish-connected individuals from around the world. No doubt, your enjoyment is shared by your special advisor, Mark Garret, whose pay, at € 168,000 a year, makes him the best paid advisor to the government, and who accompanies you on your trips. Who says Fine Gael gets its own way? You managed to ensure that the government broke its own rules for this party stalwart. Well done!

Incidentally, do you ever ask Mark Garret about his period working as where he works as External Relations Manager for McKinsey and Co, the international firm of management consultants.
Does he know anything about the influential people Venezuela? Remember when the McKinsey office in Caracas, Venezuela, was used in the 2002 coup against President Chavez.

I’m sure as foreign Minister, you have great relations with the Venezuelan Ambassador to Ireland, Samuel Moncada, based in London and he is delighted your main advisor was the a senior PR man for a company who took an active part in trying to get rid of democratically elected President.

You remind us in the email “of the relief on the Universal Charge.” Ah yes, the USC relief. You didn’t mention in your email that the relief applies to workers who earn only under € 10,000 and will be worth about 188 cents a week. See here.

Well done for defending the Finance Bill in your email. The Irish Bank Officials Union (IBOA) reckons there will be thousands of jobs losses in the sector in coming years, on top of the all the thousands that already taken place. But in one fell swoop, your act of corporate welfare will create 10,000 jobs! Wow, you are really are a whizhid!

I see in your email you have changed the name of the government from “National Government” to “National Unity Government”.
Remember when Fianna Fail suggested a unity government? And Pat Rabbite, your close friend and colleague, was all over the media making a laughing stock of them, condemning them from a height? Funny how things change.

Wishing you well on a personal level,

Party member




http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=eamon+gilmore+wikileaks&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CFAQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.politicalworld.org%2Fshowthre ad.php%3Ft%3D8350&ei=rJ41T92TIM-LhQfXwaycAg&usg=AFQjCNEdMtfvVnl8MgSM3onzPU_lVkATLw

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=eamon+gilmore&source=web&cd=2&ved=0CDwQFjAB&url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FEamon_G ilmore&ei=B441T4H8Ms2XhQfz7eGGAg&usg=AFQjCNFm_uFvr7S9fRq4LdjdrQomIn3Jjw

http://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=eamon+gilmore&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gilmore.ie%2F&ei=B441T4H8Ms2XhQfz7eGGAg&usg=AFQjCNFbOroaWKjDraxUtgvCqhZM9tlP4A

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eamon_Gilmore

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Clarke

Baron von Biffo
10-02-2012, 11:14 PM
Foreign Affairs was a strange choice for Gilmore. At the time of the collapse of the FF/Lab government it was widely speculated that Spring's necessary absences on FA business meant he wasn't able to manage relationships in government here.

Of course in that government Lab was an equal partner pursuing its own policies. In the current Dail Lab is very much the junior partner and seems very happy to answer 'Yes Boss' to whatever FG tells them. In that context maybe it makes sense for Gilmore to opt for the prestige ministry.

Ah Well
10-02-2012, 11:26 PM
Not sure if I'd call him fascinating .... will keep my opinion on that to myself :)

When this name crops up the first and instant thing I always relate to is his appearance with Brian Dobson on the Six-One News, following the Lisbon 1 blowout, subsequently followed by a turn of face and roundabout.

The actual interview is since gone off the rte Site but here is a selection from it, as taken verbatim


I think the Lisbon Treaty is dead. The Lisbon Treaty to be ratified requires 27 Member States to ratify it. The Irish people have now decided in a Referendum that they do not wish to have it ratified therefore Ireland cannot ratify the Lisbon Treaty and therefore the Lisbon Treaty falls

I don't think there's any question of this Treaty being put a second time to the people. This isn't like what happened at the Nice Referendum when there was a low turnout the first time round. The Government went back got some additional Declarations and there were some changes made to our own domestic Law about how we handle European Law and it was put on that basis and it went through on that basis. This was a good turnout of Electors. People have made a decision. The Lisbon Treaty cannot now be ratified. And I think that the decision that has been made by the Irish people has got to be respected by everybody. Got to be respected by the Taoiseach, by the Government, by the other Member States, by the political leadership in Brussels.
I think at this stage there is no point in us rerunning the Campaign. The fact of the matter is that a decision has now been made


I certainly think that this particular proposal is now gone


How could one have or merit any trust after that

C. Flower
10-02-2012, 11:30 PM
Dublin Opinion - "Gilmore declares a Government of National Unity - he just as usual forgets to tell the People."

http://dublinopinion.com/2012/02/10/gilmore-declares-government-of-national-unity/

C. Flower
10-02-2012, 11:35 PM
Mark Garrett, Gilmore's adviser, is almost as interesting as Gilmore himself, and also reports to the US Embassy.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/republic-of-ireland/wikileaks-us-embassy-officials-cosied-up-to-irish-opposition-as-crisis-deepened-16006492.html

Dr. FIVE
10-02-2012, 11:37 PM
Mark Garrett, Gilmore's adviser, is almost as interesting as Gilmore himself,

indeed

Ah Well
10-02-2012, 11:38 PM
Mark Garrett, Gilmore's adviser, is almost as interesting as Gilmore himself, and also reports to the US Embassy.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/republic-of-ireland/wikileaks-us-embassy-officials-cosied-up-to-irish-opposition-as-crisis-deepened-16006492.html

Time for a separate thread there then?

Dr. FIVE
11-02-2012, 12:20 AM
Perhaps.

Captain Con O'Sullivan
11-02-2012, 03:44 PM
Interesting comment from Garrett on the Anglo capers in that Belfast Telegraph quoting of the US wikileaks embassy cables release..

'Mr Garrett is said to have advised embassy officials in March 2009 that he believed the then government would not fall immediately, despite the banking collapse. "Garrett believes that in the absence of a 'smoking gun' tying a government minister to the improprieties at Anglo, the status quo will hold," a cable from the time stated.'

'The status quo will hold'... and in the 'absence of a smoking gun tying a government Minister to improprieties at Anglo'... does that mean Garrett has any information that a government minister was tied to those improprieties at Anglo?

It is a peculiar wording which would indicate that what concerned Garrett was the smoking gun bit and he chose not to report that there were no known ties ... just the absence of a 'smoking gun'.

Interesting.

On the subject of the OP Gilmore is just the American Ambassador's beeyatch if the wikileaks reporting of him briefing the US ambassador about there being another run at the Lisbon referendum within weeks of standing in the Dail and giving his version of Cowen's 'the people have spoken' rubbish just after Lisbon 1. We know he was being less than honest with his optics in the Dail but the wikileaks showed just what the Irish Foreign Ministry's attitude to the US is- abject to say the least.

Can you imagine the storm if he'd been found to have been around at the Chinese embassy giving the inside nod to their Ambassador?

Dr. FIVE
11-02-2012, 03:58 PM
Who exactly is Eamon Gilmore ?

Whoever Official Ireland want him to be

Captain Con O'Sullivan
11-02-2012, 04:00 PM
He's a 'private dancer' and dances for money ... any old money will do ...

C. Flower
11-02-2012, 08:51 PM
Who exactly is Eamon Gilmore ?

Whoever Official Ireland want him to be

Not official US ?

Dr. FIVE
11-02-2012, 09:30 PM
Ireland is whoever US wants it to be, Germans or not

eamo
11-02-2012, 09:47 PM
Can you imagine the storm if he'd been found to have been around at the Chinese embassy giving the inside nod to their Ambassador?

Captain, we have given the cute hoor nod and wink to the Chinese that they can come here and disappear into the Irish or European economy with no questions asked. "Language students" my eye. They are being exploited by Irish and Chinese Employers and they can not say BOO! because they are "undocumented". And they are been preyed upon by Chinese gangsters both here and in China. And cute hoor Ireland don't give a damm. Sure if we don't care about ourselves how could we be expected to care for foreigners.

Griska
15-02-2012, 11:11 PM
Gilmore as U.S. stooge?

If so, it raises questions regarding the likes of Rabbitte and McCartan.
Gilmore was never the leading light of the Student Princes.

Andrew49
16-02-2012, 01:52 PM
Gilmore is the guy walking in Enda's shadow. Alison O'Connor on #vinb last night (15 Feb) opined that the closing of the Vatican embassy here was naught to do with the nuncio's non-cooperation into official inquiries but was all to do with Gilmore trying to appear as macho as Enda Kenny!

MediaBite
16-02-2012, 04:16 PM
Interesting comment from Garrett on the Anglo capers in that Belfast Telegraph quoting of the US wikileaks embassy cables release..

'Mr Garrett is said to have advised embassy officials in March 2009 that he believed the then government would not fall immediately, despite the banking collapse. "Garrett believes that in the absence of a 'smoking gun' tying a government minister to the improprieties at Anglo, the status quo will hold," a cable from the time stated.'

'The status quo will hold'... and in the 'absence of a smoking gun tying a government Minister to improprieties at Anglo'... does that mean Garrett has any information that a government minister was tied to those improprieties at Anglo?

It is a peculiar wording which would indicate that what concerned Garrett was the smoking gun bit and he chose not to report that there were no known ties ... just the absence of a 'smoking gun'.

Interesting.

On the subject of the OP Gilmore is just the American Ambassador's beeyatch if the wikileaks reporting of him briefing the US ambassador about there being another run at the Lisbon referendum within weeks of standing in the Dail and giving his version of Cowen's 'the people have spoken' rubbish just after Lisbon 1. We know he was being less than honest with his optics in the Dail but the wikileaks showed just what the Irish Foreign Ministry's attitude to the US is- abject to say the least.

Can you imagine the storm if he'd been found to have been around at the Chinese embassy giving the inside nod to their Ambassador?

These are key questions. Frank Connolly was the (only?) journalist who quizzed the then government about possible links to Anglo etc. As is well known, Lenihan and others refused to answer. The same question should be put to the current government parties.

riposte
16-02-2012, 07:23 PM
I don't know who Gilmore is or who he represents .... but I do know that the Labour Party will jettision him before the next election.

Being so obviously duplicitous is bad enough ......but getting on the wrong side of every issue is a black hole that Quinn and Rabbitt never fell into.

C. Flower
27-05-2012, 01:46 PM
A year on....

Last week saw the first anniversary of the Eamon Gilmore scandal. It caused a brief stir this time last year, until the political journalists decided that stability demands that we brush such embarrassing stuff under the carpet. (In recent times, the country, the economy, the currency and the EU have all been destabilised, as a direct result of policies said to be aimed at creating stability.)

It would be obnoxious to raise the Gilmore scandal on the anniversary, wouldn't it? So, let's do so.

Here's the question: did Eamon Gilmore deliberately deceive the citizenry by pretending to hold one position, while secretly informing the US embassy that his real position was the reverse? Or, did someone in the US embassy create a false paper trail in order to undermine the leader of the Labour Party?

Briefly -- when the Lisbon Treaty was first rejected, Gilmore said there must be no second referendum. After a while, he claimed there was sufficient change to justify another referendum. Later, Wikileaks published a memo in which the US ambassador reported to the State Department. It said that Gilmore secretly told the embassy, five days after vigorously rejecting another Lisbon vote, that he wanted a second referendum. But it was "politically necessary" that he say the opposite publicly.

Gilmore denied all this. The media mostly ignored the scandal. Hardly anyone in the Labour Party seemed to care. If the Tanaiste is right, someone -- perhaps the CIA -- forged the memo, knowing that a later leak would undermine Gilmore. Who knows, perhaps the whole Wikileaks phenomenon was a CIA plot to get Gilmore.

Does no one in the Labour Party care about whether they have A) an untrustworthy leader, or B) an honest leader under foul attack from a foreign power?



http://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/gene-kerrigan-the-sad-truth-is-enda-kennys-a-chicken-3119592.html

C. Flower
27-05-2012, 01:49 PM
Mark Garrett, Gilmore's adviser, is almost as interesting as Gilmore himself, and also reports to the US Embassy.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/republic-of-ireland/wikileaks-us-embassy-officials-cosied-up-to-irish-opposition-as-crisis-deepened-16006492.html

Just a reminder -


One cable details how Mr McDowell predicted in February 2009 the government would have to continue recapitalising the banks. However, he said opposition parties were not going to "cause a fuss over the issue" at the time "because of the fragility of the economy".

Embassy officials sought out Mr McDowell again ahead of the April 2009 budget for details of what Fine Gael would do if in government. According to a cable, Mr McDowell said Fine Gael recommended raising taxes for higher earners and cutting public-sector staff and pay levels.

Mr McDowell expressed the view that the Government had little choice but to cut social welfare spending.

Read more: http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/republic-of-ireland/wikileaks-us-embassy-officials-cosied-up-to-irish-opposition-as-crisis-deepened-16006492.html#ixzz1w4dLtiD4

C. Flower
30-05-2012, 08:33 AM
Gilmore was just challenged on RTE Morning Ireland on his alleged Referendum remark to the US Embassy and repeatedly said "I never said it" "I was never in with the US Ambassador on this"

Is this the first time he has issued this denial ?


It said that Gilmore secretly told the embassy, five days after vigorously rejecting another Lisbon vote, that he wanted a second referendum.

If true, is it possible that it was a bugged conversation, or a report by someone close to Gilmore rather than a direct report ?

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/wikileaks/gilmore-took-opposing-views-in-public-and-in-private-2662663.html

DCon
30-05-2012, 08:42 AM
Kerrigan, at the weekend, said Gilmore has denied this before.


Briefly -- when the Lisbon Treaty was first rejected, Gilmore said there must be no second referendum. After a while, he claimed there was sufficient change to justify another referendum. Later, Wikileaks published a memo in which the US ambassador reported to the State Department. It said that Gilmore secretly told the embassy, five days after vigorously rejecting another Lisbon vote, that he wanted a second referendum. But it was "politically necessary" that he say the opposite publicly.

Gilmore denied all this. The media mostly ignored the scandal. Hardly anyone in the Labour Party seemed to care. If the Tanaiste is right, someone -- perhaps the CIA -- forged the memo, knowing that a later leak would undermine Gilmore. Who knows, perhaps the whole Wikileaks phenomenon was a CIA plot to get Gilmore.

Does no one in the Labour Party care about whether they have A) an untrustworthy leader, or B) an honest leader under foul attack from a foreign power?

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/gene-kerrigan-the-sad-truth-is-enda-kennys-a-chicken-3119592.html

C. Flower
30-05-2012, 08:51 AM
Kerrigan, at the weekend, said Gilmore has denied this before.

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/gene-kerrigan-the-sad-truth-is-enda-kennys-a-chicken-3119592.html

Thanks.

Perhaps he denied it in the Daνl. It would be good to find his words.

A lot of the cables contain trashy information. It may well not be true - I wouldn't place reliance on the State Department for accuracy - or else not the result of a direct contact with the Embassy.

DCon
30-05-2012, 09:04 AM
Thanks.

Perhaps he denied it in the Daνl. It would be good to find his words.

A lot of the cables contain trashy information. It may well not be true - I wouldn't place reliance on the State Department for accuracy - or else not the result of a direct contact with the Embassy.

I can find nothing on kildarestreet.com

His quote below is typical Gilmore. Avoiding the question and stating what is already known.


Asked yesterday if he was embarrassed by the WikiLeaks revelation of his views, he said the second Lisbon referendum was a “different proposition” from the first. “It was always the case that we could not put the same proposition a second time to the Irish people and of course the same proposition wasn’t put a second time to the Irish people. What was put to the Irish people in the second referendum was a different, if you like renegotiated proposition.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0602/1224298260141.html

C. Flower
30-05-2012, 09:10 AM
I can find nothing on kildarestreet.com

His quote below is typical Gilmore. Avoiding the question and stating what is already known.



http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0602/1224298260141.html

Look - thoroughly gone into here.

Looking less good for Gilmore.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/did-he-or-did-he-not-gilmore-dispute-enters-twilight-zone-2817724.html


There's an easy way out of this. The Taoiseach, or anyone else in high office who cares about the credibility of the Government, could ensure that something along the following lines is arranged: that Mr Gilmore formally refute the cable's contents, in the Dail; that he outline in the Dail any and all contacts he has had with US diplomats, or anyone connected to them, and the substance of those contacts; specifically, that he provides the Dail with the names of any US diplomat with whom he discussed the Lisbon Treaty, if he ever did; that the US ambassador be called in and asked to explain why damaging remarks were falsely attributed to a senior Irish politician and transmitted to the Secretary of State, and by whom -- if that is the case; that the Government formally require the US State Department to contact anyone who received the cable (it seems to have been passed to US diplomats across Europe), to inform them that the Irish deputy prime minister was traduced, and to withdraw those damaging remarks.

On the other hand, Mr Gilmore's colleagues may not believe his version of the controversy, as told by Mr Stagg. If that is the case, their silence will speak for itself.

C. Flower
31-05-2012, 09:25 AM
The more I think about this, the less convinced I am in E G's "denial"

I don't think it was said in the cable that he had spoken to the Ambassador.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/fiscal-treaty/gilmore-denies-saying-he-would-support-second-vote-on-lisbon-3124561.html

DCon
31-05-2012, 09:34 AM
He's the Robbie Keane of politics

http://a7.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/581050_336875463051567_100001873491245_827151_1182 373318_n.jpg

C. Flower
29-09-2012, 09:41 AM
Eamon Gilmore has spoken for Ireland today (after his trip to New York) and told the UN that Ireland backs more action and sanctions against the Assad regime.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2012/0929/breaking1.html

I would love to know who or what prompted him to say that.

Not so long since he was announcing to the world that Ahmadinejad's government is working on a nuclear bomb - no-one else seemed to have that information, only our Eamon.

In fairness, he also called for a settlement between Palestine and Israel on the basis of the 67 borders and an end to building illegal settlements.

Saoirse go Deo
29-09-2012, 01:16 PM
Why no sanctions against Israel?

Why hasn't Ireland recognized Palestine?

Months and months ago in an email exchange a labour deputy told me that "back channels" were being worked with regards to this and that movement could be expected "soon". Nada.

C. Flower
06-10-2012, 08:14 PM
Interesting interview with Gilmore by a student on the Washington Programme.

http://wiprogram.org/2012/06/19/featured-10qs-eamon-gilmore-td/

Doesn't want to rejoin the Commonwealth, but...

Dr. FIVE
06-10-2012, 08:44 PM
Would be interesting to see a list of past USI Presidents to see how many shysters have passed through

DCon
06-10-2012, 08:46 PM
http://youngagropreneur.files.wordpress.com/2011/10/chameleon-1.jpg

DCon
06-10-2012, 08:48 PM
Would be interesting to see a list of past USI Presidents to see how many shysters have passed through

your wish


Incumbent John Logue University College Dublin Students' Union
2011–2012 Gary Redmond University College Dublin Students' Union
2010–2011 Gary Redmond University College Dublin Students' Union
2009–2010 Peter Mannion National University of Ireland, Galway
2008–2009 Shane Kelly Waterford Institute of Technology
2007–2008 Richard Morrisroe (until Oct 2007)

Hamidreza Khodabakhshi
University College Cork

Dublin Institute of Technology
2006–2007 Colm Hamrogue Institute of Technology, Sligo
2005–2006 Tony McDonnell National University of Ireland, Galway
2004–2005 Ben Archibald Queens University Belfast
2003–2004 Will Priestley Trinity College Dublin
2002–2003 Colm Jordan Dublin Institute of Technology
2001–2002 Richard Hammond University College Cork
2000–2001 Julian De Spαinn National University of Ireland, Galway
1999–2000 Philip Madden IT Carlow
1998–1999 Dermot Lohan Dublin City University
1997–1998 Colman Byrne Dublin Institute of Technology
1996–1997 Colman Byrne Dublin Institute of Technology
1995–1996 Colm Keaveney Letterkenny Institute of Technology
1994–1995 Helen O’Sullivan Dublin Institute of Technology
1993–1994 Tom Duke University College Dublin
1992–1993 Maxine Brady Rupert Stanley College, Belfast
1991–1992 Maxine Brady Rupert Stanley College, Belfast
1990–1991 Karen Quinlivan University College Dublin
1989–1990 Stephen Grogan University College Galway
1988–1989 Tadhg Daly Cork Institute of Technology
1987–1988 Trish Hegarty Queens University Belfast
1986–1987 Trish Hegarty Queens University Belfast
1985–1986 John Doyle Waterford Regional Technical College
1984–1985 Giollaνosa Σ Lideadha University College Dublin
1983–1984 Joe Duffy Trinity College Dublin
1982–1983 Brendan Doris DIT Bolton St
1981–1982 Brendan Doris DIT Bolton St
1980–1981 Gerry Grainger Queen's University Belfast
1979–1980 Tom Costelloe St. Patrick's College, Drumcondra
1978–1979 Peter Davies NUU Coleraine
1977–1978 Eamon Gilmore University College Galway
1976–1977 Eamon Gilmore University College Galway
1975–1976 David Kavanagh National College of Art and Design
1974–1975 Pat Brady Queens University Belfast
1973–1974 Pat Rabbitte University College Galway
1972–1973 Pat Rabbitte University College Galway
1971–1972 Frank Flannery University College Galway
1970–1971 Richard O'Toole University College Galway
1969–1970 Enter Details
1968–1969 Ciaran McKeown Queens University Belfast
1967–1968 Howard Kinlay Trinity College Dublin
1966–1967 John Murray University College Dublin
1965–1966 Gordon Colleary University College Dublin
1964–1965 Gordon Colleary University College Dublin
1963–1964 Denys Turner University College Dublin
1962–1963 Enter Details
1961–1962 Noel Igoe
1960–1961 Noel Igoe
1959–1960 John Hamilton-Russell

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Students_in_Ireland

eamo
06-10-2012, 09:59 PM
Eamon was out and about in his constituency this morning. I spotted him in Sallynoggin "talking to locals", or "minding his seat on the gravy train" as the more experienced of us might put it. Early election anyone? Maybe with Labour under a new leader? Stranger things have happened so they have. Eamon is watching his back so he is. Inside and outside government. One cute hoor.

C. Flower
06-10-2012, 11:02 PM
I'm pretty sure that Gilmore's choice of Foreign Affairs was no accident.

DCon
06-10-2012, 11:08 PM
I'm pretty sure that Gilmore's choice of Foreign Affairs was no accident.

he definitely has an eye on an EU job or even the UN


he will never be Taoiseach so will have maximised his pension from Irish politics soon.


new job will give him salary and Dail pension plus another big pension


staying in the Dail will just give him a TD/Minister salary

C. Flower
06-10-2012, 11:10 PM
Does anyone have any information on this ?


From 1976 until 1978 he served as President of the Union of Students in Ireland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_Students_in_Ireland) (USI).[9] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eamon_Gilmore#cite_note-8) Together with Charles Clarke (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Clarke) (former British Home Secretary) who was President of the National Union of Students in Britain (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Kingdom), he worked within a structure which served to unify the student’s movement in Northern Ireland during the troubles. Other achievements during his tenure included increasing student grants and securing the right for students to work during the summer months.

Charles Clarke went on to higher things...


Following the first resignation of David Blunkett (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Blunkett) on 15 December 2004, Clarke was made Home Secretary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secretary_of_State_for_the_Home_Department), one of the senior positions in the Cabinet.
He was swiftly at the centre of attention for his advocacy of proposals for countering terrorism. Critics suggest that his reforms to the judicial system undermine centuries of British legal precedent dating back to the 1215 Magna Carta (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magna_Carta), particularly the right to a fair trial (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_trial) and trial by jury (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_by_jury). He was also criticised for the Identity Cards Act 2006 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_Cards_Act_2006), seen by some as serious infringement of privacy, but Clarke insisted that identity cards were necessary to combat terrorism.
During the 2005 British Presidency of the European Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union), Clarke pressed other member states to pass a directive to require communications data to be stored for law enforcement purposes. The directive was criticised as infringing civil liberties and privacy, and critics also noted that the directive had been approved very quickly.

C. Flower
06-10-2012, 11:11 PM
he definitely has an eye on an EU job or even the UN


he will never be Taoiseach so will have maximised his pension from Irish politics soon.


new job will give him salary and Dail pension plus another big pension


staying in the Dail will just give him a TD/Minister salary

He appears to be working overtime promoting US war foreign policy in the Middle East.

Baron von Biffo
06-10-2012, 11:12 PM
I'm pretty sure that Gilmore's choice of Foreign Affairs was no accident.

Obviously it wasn't since he would have been able to claim anything other that Finance which Lab had failed to secure during the negotiations.

Why he chose it is a mystery though. Spring being out of the country so much and thus unable to keep an eye on Reynolds is often thought to be a factor in the collapse of the FF/Lab coalition. You'd thing they would have learned from that.

DCon
06-10-2012, 11:14 PM
Obviously it wasn't since he would have been able to claim anything other that Finance which Lab had failed to secure during the negotiations.

Why he chose it is a mystery though. Spring being out of the country so much and thus unable to keep an eye on Reynolds is often thought to be a factor in the collapse of the FF/Lab coalition. You'd thing they would have learned from that.

I wonder if Foreign Affairs allows him to be non resident for tax purposes..

C. Flower
07-04-2013, 01:05 PM
Still a cypher for me, really.
I would be very interested in learning anything about his politics when he was in the Workers' Party.

Today, Eamon Gilmore is in Istanbul on a Trade Mission. I wonder if he will meet John Kerry, who is also there, and give him a briefing on the situation in the Labour Party ?

Saoirse go Deo
07-04-2013, 01:27 PM
Wrote a blog post about Gilmore and other ex workers party members a while ago after Garlands letter emerged

http://theunitedirishman.blogspot.ie/2013/01/eamon-gilmore-pat-rabbitte-and-their.html

C. Flower
07-04-2013, 02:34 PM
Wrote a blog post about Gilmore and other ex workers party members a while ago after Garlands letter emerged

http://theunitedirishman.blogspot.ie/2013/01/eamon-gilmore-pat-rabbitte-and-their.html

Thanks.

I would like to know where the group who formed Democratic Left were politically, both when in the WP and when moving to Democratic Left.

What did they stand for ?

I'm reading about the current position of the Workers Party and it is at the moment that capitalism can be stabilised for a long period by means of Keynesian stimulation. They propose to promote social democracy, the politics of Labour, through which they say gains in living standards can be made by the working class.

They don't explain where the stimulus is to come from.

Greengoddess
07-04-2013, 05:50 PM
Still a cypher for me, really.
I would be very interested in learning anything about his politics when he was in the Workers' Party.

Today, Eamon Gilmore is in Istanbul on a Trade Mission. I wonder if he will meet John Kerry, who is also there, and give him a briefing on the situation in the Labour Party ?
Yes. He may miss the PLP meeting this week......

Dr. FIVE
01-09-2013, 01:32 PM
lulz

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/gene-kerrigan/was-gilmore-the-victim-of-a-cia-plot-29525813.html

jmcc
01-09-2013, 01:46 PM
lulz

http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/gene-kerrigan/was-gilmore-the-victim-of-a-cia-plot-29525813.htmlI guess over at the Sindo, it is always the Silly Season. :) I wonder if Eoghan Harris has a parallel piece blaming the Provos for the damning of his former party comrade?

Regards...jmcc

C. Flower
30-03-2014, 08:15 PM
Matt Cooper, in last week's Sunday Times, had a good go at Gilmore's actions on the Ukraine.

"Ireland has been among the loudest voices in demanding tough economic sanctions on Russia by the EU."

Gilmore called in the Russian ambassador, Maxim Peshkov ( a descendent of Maxim Gorky) and tore a strip off him, instructing him to "withdraw Russian troops to barracks"
before being reminded that economic sanctions would do a lot more damage to Ireland ( an exporter to Russia) than it would Russia.

Paschal Donohue too, Cooper said, laid in to Russia over upholding international law. As Cooper said, there was not any such reaction to Obama's drone murders, or rendition and war via Shannon. So "the bottom line is that we are dependent on US investment"

Cooper - "Meddling by the EU and America in the internal affairs of Ukraine played a significant part in creating this crisis. This was continuance of a power play evident since the collapse of the USSR).

Correct.

"Nato...has increased its reachby stealth over the last two decades, stationing more and more troops nd arms near Russian borders. Nato took advantage of the implosion of the Soviet Union to secure a presence in as many eastern Europeal countries as possible. It has had the help of the EU in doing so. The EU offer of economic assistance to Ukraine last December included a condition that Kiev align its forces with those of NATO, which was interpreted by the Russians as a stepping stone to full membership."

This is the cause for alarm in Russia.

PaddyJoe
02-06-2015, 05:36 PM
Gilmore picked a busy news day to announce that he won't be standing at the next election.
:D

Dr. FIVE
02-06-2015, 06:10 PM
This Denis thing is getting a bit too hairy and who knows what further embarrassment for government lay ahead. He had to go now while there is still a bit of referendum glow to bask in. Good riddance Eamon Gilmore, don't let door the US embassy hit you on the way out.

Shaadi
02-06-2015, 06:29 PM
A grey boring man who still managed to stoop lower than a snake's belly!

News of his not running for the next Dail is just boring like himself.

C. Flower
01-10-2015, 07:55 PM
Appointed "Special Peace Envoy to Columbia" by Mogherini.

What exact business does the EU have in Columbia ?

What was Gilmore's involvement in the Peace Process in the North ?


Gilmore's new job will be to oversee the EU's role in supporting peace initiatives between the government, paramilitary groups and guerrilla forces.
In a statement this evening Ms Mogherini says Gilmore's direct involvement in the Northern Ireland peace process made him an ideal candidate.



http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/eamon-gilmore-appointed-as-a-peace-envoy-in-colombia-698678.html

Dr. FIVE
01-10-2015, 09:34 PM
Troika rewards Gilmore with a new job http://eeas.europa.eu/statements-eeas/2015/151001_05_en.htm


The High Representative for Common Foreign and Security Policy Federica Mogherini has informed the Council and the European Parliament of the decision to appoint Mr Eamon Gilmore as EU Envoy for the Peace Process in Colombia. Mr Gilmore is a former Deputy Prime Minister and Foreign Minister of Ireland.

The HRVP informed the Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos of her intention to appoint Mr Gilmore during a recent meeting in the margins of the 70th United Nations General Assembly in New York, in which she congratulated him on the agreement reached by the parties on 23 September concerning the creation of a special jurisdiction for peace and the announcement of a six-month timeline for concluding negotiations.

"Mr Gilmore's direct involvement in the Northern Ireland peace process makes him an ideal envoy. It is a signal to the Colombians that the EU is standing by their efforts to put an end to one of the longest running and most murderous conflicts in the world. This is a unique opportunity that must not be lost", Ms Mogherini said.

Mr Gilmore's mission will be to relate to all parties in Colombia and to facilitate the coordination of EU action and initiatives in support of peace, thus contributing to the smooth implementation of the future peace agreement for the benefit of all parts of Colombian society. He will also liaise closely with other key actors at the regional and international level.

Mr Gilmore will take up his duties as soon as the relevant internal and inter-institutional procedures have been completed.

C. Flower
02-10-2015, 01:02 PM
Troika rewards Gilmore with a new job http://eeas.europa.eu/statements-eeas/2015/151001_05_en.htm

Bagman ? or is there another name
for it?

HE was happy to tell the US State Department things that the Irish electorate was not told and in spite of his supposedly communist background is plainly a trusted part of the EU Securocracy.

DCon
31-10-2015, 08:19 AM
Gilmore's buke




In an explosive new memoir, Mr Gilmore discloses how Ms Burton told him he wasn't becoming European Commissioner and was being dropped from Cabinet during a conversation that lasted two minutes.

After the encounter, he bumped into a senior civil servant and commented: "I have just been court-martialled and I am to be shot at dawn!"

He writes of Ms Burton's anger at being offered the Social Protection portfolio in his Cabinet as she expressed an interest in Foreign Affairs, which he ultimately chose for himself.

"Joan didn't see it the same way I did, and reacted very negatively when I told her. She was visibly shocked at the appointment. She asked me about the allocation of the other Labour portfolios and the answer did not quell her growing anger. She told me that I was making a big mistake in appointing her as Minister for Social Protection, that it would go down very badly in the party. I was taken aback by Joan's reaction."



http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/im-to-be-shot-at-dawn-gilmore-on-burtons-betrayal-34157205.html

Andrew49
31-10-2015, 09:45 AM
660209778879307777

wtf!!!!

Captain Con O'Sullivan
31-10-2015, 10:27 AM
That would be enactment of ministerial authority to withdraw the right to assembly. If you check the Irish constitution you will find that both the right to assemble and the right to free speech are hedged about with the right of the Justice Minister of the day to suspend both in periods of emergency.

Which means all you need is a declared emergency. Hence the invention of a 'flu pandemic. Doesn't really matter what the 'emergency' is but the point would be to give the Minister constitutional access to restrict both reporting and free assembly.

If this report by Gilmore is correct then it just reveals the levels of deception Irish government are prepared to go to to lie to the electorate.

It may have been a proposal discussed and only that but if true reveals just how much you should trust the Irish Government.

Andrew49
31-10-2015, 10:55 AM
One of the rejected covers for the book ... but this will be how it will be sexed-up in the media ... probably!

1032

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/theknitter/Bistro/the%20last_zpsfrcaghaa.png

C. Flower
31-10-2015, 10:59 AM
One of the rejected covers for the book ... but this will be how it will be sexed-up in the media ... probably!

http://www.politicalworld.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=1032&stc=1

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/theknitter/Bistro/the%20last_zpsfrcaghaa.png

Classy :) A cert for the Booker Prize.

Andrew49
31-10-2015, 11:05 AM
Classy :) A cert for the Booker Prize.

It seems to be all 'me, me, me' with Eamon with his 'I'm to be shot at dawn' dramatisation of his side lining by Joan!

Captain Con O'Sullivan
31-10-2015, 11:07 AM
Pulling the same crap as Gormley before him with his tales of 'we very nearly walked there y'know'. An attempt to backdate one's own relevance cheaper than a Callely expenses docket.

Shaadi
31-10-2015, 11:57 AM
Pulling the same crap as Gormley before him with his tales of 'we very nearly walked there y'know'. An attempt to backdate one's own relevance cheaper than a Callely expenses docket.



The classic Irish "hold me back" fight that never happened at all as relayed by countless BSers and narcissists over the years.

Jaysus, Enda's memoirs will put Don Quixote in the ha'penny place. :)

Spectabilis
31-10-2015, 12:57 PM
One of the rejected covers for the book ... but this will be how it will be sexed-up in the media ... probably!

http://www.politicalworld.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=1032&stc=1

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/theknitter/Bistro/the%20last_zpsfrcaghaa.png



Great cover Andrew49.
Howd' you do that? It looks painted.

DCon
31-10-2015, 01:42 PM
Pulling the same crap as Gormley before him with his tales of 'we very nearly walked there y'know'. An attempt to backdate one's own relevance cheaper than a Callely expenses docket.

I think it is also all bullshit about disagreements with Joan

I would warrant they agreed up from to split the Tanauste job and Eamo is now inventing fantasies

DCon
01-11-2015, 10:07 AM
Eamo is on the radio with Miriam promoting the buke

C. Flower
01-11-2015, 10:14 AM
Eamo is on the radio with Miriam promoting the buke

Oh! Joy!

"Why the present Government should be re-elected"

Eamon and Joan were both at a birthday party on Friday. The book was not mentioned.

DCon
02-11-2015, 06:47 AM
Joan looks on the bright side. Pats herself on the back





"But as is clear in this book, Eamon, Joan, the Labour Party and the whole of Government worked together extremely hard and extremely effectively to turn the country around."




http://m.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/burton-seeks-to-limit-damage-of-gilmores-book-34160591.html

Andrew49
02-11-2015, 10:09 AM
Great cover Andrew49.
Howd' you do that? It looks painted.

Just have to keep smoothing and softening - especially the skin tones - and then blending the layers using hard & soft light. It took about 30 minutes. Thankfully I had a copy of the original cover ... LINK (https://uk.pinterest.com/pin/457608012115662239/)

http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c135/theknitter/Bistro/last%20hurrah_zpshpxpnojv.jpg

DCon
17-11-2015, 08:07 PM
Gilmore pretending the government almost collapsed






The book discloses how Gilmore mentally drafted pulling Labour out of government at the time of Martin Callinan’s resignation as Garda Commissioner, but he said this evening that there were two other occasions when it was close to falling.





http://www.thejournal.ie/eamon-gilmore-government-collapse-2451044-Nov2015/?utm_source=shortlink