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C. Flower
18-12-2011, 07:42 PM
The British Government now considers break up of the Eurozone as inevitable, and has warned its Eurozone embassies to prepare for civil unrest and bank collapses.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8917077/Prepare-for-riots-in-euro-collapse-Foreign-Office-warns.html


As the Italian government struggled to borrow and Spain considered seeking an international bail-out, British ministers privately warned that the break-up of the euro, once almost unthinkable, is now increasingly plausible.
Diplomats are preparing to help Britons abroad through a banking collapse and even riots arising from the debt crisis.
The Treasury confirmed earlier this month that contingency planning for a collapse is now under way.
A senior minister has now revealed the extent of the Government’s concern, saying that Britain is now planning on the basis that a euro collapse is now just a matter of time.
“It’s in our interests that they keep playing for time because that gives us more time to prepare,” the minister told the Daily Telegraph.

Recent Foreign and Commonwealth Office instructions to embassies and consulates request contingency planning for extreme scenarios including rioting and social unrest.
Greece has seen several outbreaks of civil disorder as its government struggles with its huge debts. British officials think similar scenes cannot be ruled out in other nations if the euro collapses.
Diplomats have also been told to prepare to help tens of thousands of British citizens in eurozone countries with the consequences of a financial collapse that would leave them unable to access bank accounts or even withdraw cash.

Griska
18-12-2011, 07:46 PM
Never mind the Brits.

Metallica and the Chili Peppers reckon it's all going tits up!!!

http://www.topix.com/forum/who/the-red-hot-chili-peppers/T7SFFBOIRBN2LK0OS

morticia
18-12-2011, 08:14 PM
Ho hum. Speaking as a joint citizen, I'm afraid I'd expect them to be a) completely overwhelmed and b) completely useless.

I spent the day of 911 at Heathrow airport. None of the phonelines worked for days afterwards....and the chaos was something else. Trust me on this one.....According to a friend whose father survived a hurricane on a Carribbean Uk territory, they evacuated the consular staff before the storm hit and didn't come back for days thereafter. "Crisis management" my Derry Air....

Mind you, their response here might be better, given the proximity of the Border.

I'm actually wondering if these noises are being made in part because the City has bets on the ship going down?

TotalMayhem
18-12-2011, 08:16 PM
Chillax, people. It's a propaganda war, that's going on here.

I believe, something similar was posted last week about the British diplomatic corps preparing to help Brits abroad in case of the Euro collapse and subsequent riots.

morticia
18-12-2011, 08:20 PM
Chillax, people. It's a propaganda war, that's going on here.


Sure. What I'm interested in is at whom the propaganda is aimed? UK expats? the French? The markets? The hedgies? All of the above?

TotalMayhem
18-12-2011, 08:24 PM
Well, the markets don't care much for stray Britons caught in a banking collapse and civil unrest. :D

morticia
18-12-2011, 08:29 PM
Well, the markets don't care much for stray Britons caught in a banking collapse and civil unrest. :D

Nooo, they don't. However, the Daily Hell and other such paragons of modern reporting do specialise in sob stories from grannies who lost their shirts in the Spanish property bubble and would now like to repatriate themselves to spend more time with the grandkids...but flogged the UK house and lack the means, etc......

could make life difficult for the government on the compassionate propaganda front.

One does evilly wonder will they be highlighting the sins of France in a theoretical collapse.

On the other hand, if the City is properly hedged, some (probably Tory donors to the fore) could be minting it.

I'm not cynical....

TotalMayhem
18-12-2011, 08:29 PM
And what are they preparing? SAS Commandos and choppers on stand-by? That didn't work out too well in the Libyan desert, never mind the Champs-Élysées or Montmartre. ;)

morticia
18-12-2011, 08:32 PM
P'raps we should submit a FOI to Ryanair etc to find out if they're about to be funded to assist? After all, they're the ones who fly to the likes of Fuengirola, Alicante, etc.

Logistics won't be easy. 400,000 UK expats in the Republic alone.

d.vader
18-12-2011, 08:47 PM
Black propaganda by the Brits methinks. The lads at the City will be happy ...

morticia
18-12-2011, 08:51 PM
Black propaganda by the Brits methinks. The lads at the City will be happy ...

yes... that was my suspicion also. Unless they have a plan to bail us out and make us house all their repatriated Spanish/French residents in empty Nama gaffs in recompense.

Well, the BoE is prepared to print, I suppose!!

C. Flower
18-12-2011, 08:58 PM
And what are they preparing? SAS Commandos and choppers on stand-by? That didn't work out too well in the Libyan desert, never mind the Champs-Élysées or Montmartre. ;)

Or Tehran.

C. Flower
18-12-2011, 08:59 PM
P'raps we should submit a FOI to Ryanair etc to find out if they're about to be funded to assist? After all, they're the ones who fly to the likes of Fuengirola, Alicante, etc.

Logistics won't be easy. 400,000 UK expats in the Republic alone.

Erhmm. Land border.

TotalMayhem
18-12-2011, 09:05 PM
Or Tehran.

I believe, that was an even less competent crowd.

d.vader
18-12-2011, 09:13 PM
yes... that was my suspicion also. Unless they have a plan to bail us out and make us house all their repatriated Spanish/French residents in empty Nama gaffs in recompense.

Well, the BoE is prepared to print, I suppose!!

Ha! From sunny Spain to lovely Leitrim - that would really finish them off!

The Moth
19-12-2011, 02:25 AM
I think that the Brits are right.

TotalMayhem
19-12-2011, 07:15 AM
I think that the Brits are right.

The article offers nothing in a practical way, all they try is to scare people (no money in the ATMs and blood in the streets), no word about the kind of preparations. And what are the diplomats going to do anyway? Give the poor stranded Britons a few quid and a ticket? I doubt there will be any airports or public transport operational. Or stockpiling canned beans and sleeping bags and let them camp in the embassy basement? I think not. If they were serious, there would be travel warnings in effect, they'd broadcast bulletins with instructions. But the Torygraph telling them, "Worry not, lads, Her Majesty's ambassadors will take good care of you", that's ridiculous.

Captain Con O'Sullivan
19-12-2011, 12:25 PM
http://youtu.be/3l_3-23zAWM

Jolly good

fluffybiscuits
20-12-2011, 02:38 PM
The British Government now considers break up of the Eurozone as inevitable, and has warned its Eurozone embassies to prepare for civil unrest and bank collapses.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8917077/Prepare-for-riots-in-euro-collapse-Foreign-Office-warns.html

Im sure the 100k plus British ex pats living here are not really in danger of total collapse. Its a banking crisis but institutions like the credit unions and the post office are safe enough options are they not? The Torygraph is just playing its usual tory right wing role in scare mongering people, Euroskeptics will orgasm in delight reading all these sort of stories in that low brow paper. .

Captain Con O'Sullivan
20-12-2011, 02:46 PM
I suspect given human nature, habit and a few other human psychological factors that if the financial system collapsed a surprising amount of people would simply carry on as normal and turn up for work and what have you.

I wouldn't underestimate the capacity of humans to stick to what they know in a crisis. I would also expect the black market system to become the legitimate economic system very quickly and the system to be back on its feet after stuttering within days if not weeks.

Donal Og
20-12-2011, 05:47 PM
I suspect given human nature, habit and a few other human psychological factors that if the financial system collapsed a surprising amount of people would simply carry on as normal and turn up for work and what have you.

I wouldn't underestimate the capacity of humans to stick to what they know in a crisis. I would also expect the black market system to become the legitimate economic system very quickly and the system to be back on its feet after stuttering within days if not weeks.

Dunno Captain.A very depressing piece in the Graun re Argentina,poster boy of the David McWs ' let's default and have a party party':

Seems life ain't too great when you are unemployed,the currency is only worth a bent zloty and inflation is 25%.:eek:

Captain Con O'Sullivan
21-12-2011, 09:03 AM
Yes- thats where the black market becomes the real economy (in truth it always is the real economy its just that the fake economy is the one you see discussed in the media). By that I mean crime would soar.

The wealthy in Ireland and elsewhere have an interest in preserving the fake economy just enough to extract as much as they can out of it and keep the proles believing that they can become just like the wealthy if they work that bit harder.

In a meltdown situation the poor start coming through the windows of the wealthy because they have no other way of feeding themselves and their kids.

Thats the one dynamic that keeps me suspecting that the economic cans will always be kicked down the road because meltdown is where the rich become the same as you and me and don't have any layers of protection between them and the hungry. In the current system they have the Gardai and the army even to preserve that distance.

Under the conditions where the currency is worth nothing, the atms are closed, you are unemployed, then the obvious thing to do is steal the resources of the wealthy in your area and don't hesitate to take those resources by force.

fluffybiscuits
21-12-2011, 09:40 AM
Yes- thats where the black market becomes the real economy (in truth it always is the real economy its just that the fake economy is the one you see discussed in the media). By that I mean crime would soar.

The wealthy in Ireland and elsewhere have an interest in preserving the fake economy just enough to extract as much as they can out of it and keep the proles believing that they can become just like the wealthy if they work that bit harder.

In a meltdown situation the poor start coming through the windows of the wealthy because they have no other way of feeding themselves and their kids.

Thats the one dynamic that keeps me suspecting that the economic cans will always be kicked down the road because meltdown is where the rich become the same as you and me and don't have any layers of protection between them and the hungry. In the current system they have the Gardai and the army even to preserve that distance.

Under the conditions where the currency is worth nothing, the atms are closed, you are unemployed, then the obvious thing to do is steal the resources of the wealthy in your area and don't hesitate to take those resources by force.

As what happened in the London riots. Look at the establishment all dressed up in their finest gowns pissing down on the lower tiers of society and then they look on horror when the world and its mother reaches out and wants to restore equality. The Gardai are completely incompetent in riots , remember the Love Ulster Parade and other situations they found themselves in?Building materials all over the gaff!They are happy for the over time but as long as it doesnt affect them eating their donuts.

C. Flower
28-12-2011, 03:50 PM
Front page of the Sun - British contingency plans for a euro collapse include closing borders and putting a cap on deposits in UK banks.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4023794/Britains-borders-close-if-euro-goes.html

TotalMayhem
28-12-2011, 04:05 PM
The emergency measure would block hordes of French, German and Dutch nationals who would be desperate to withdraw cash here with credit cards if banks in their own countries dry up.

http://i.imgur.com/y2Wx0.gif

morticia
28-12-2011, 04:42 PM
Front page of the Sun - British contingency plans for a euro collapse include closing borders and putting a cap on deposits in UK banks.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/politics/4023794/Britains-borders-close-if-euro-goes.html

Well, good luck to them closing the one in Ireland. It has the porosity of a sponge. However, I'm guessing 4 million southern Irish plus their 400K UK expats down here are probably the least of their worries under the circs. Chances are the airports/ports would be easier, no land borders with anyone else.

morticia
28-12-2011, 05:06 PM
"It has already emerged that the Foreign Office is working on a mass evacuation plan to bring expat and holidaying Brits home if Greece, Portugal or Spain suddenly implode. "

OK, we're not mentioned. Interesting. Even more interesting.... turned on RTE last night and thought I was watching ToryTV... programme on the Queen's visit (pure syrup), followed by Helen Mirren starring as....

The interesting thing about the RTE programme is that our glorious national broadcaster appears to have been given a reasonable amount of quality time with Dave....who had lots to say about the "historic nature of recent bilateral relations", etc, along with Biffo and Enda (for once, singing from a similar hymnsheet).

So to return to topic, if the yoyo does go t!ts up, what precisely are the UK plans for us? Lets all be reminded that our border treaties of the closest nature are with the UK. So if they close theirs, what happens to ours? (Rhetorical question ;-).

Has Enda been reassuring the lads across the little pond that we have our contingency plans printed in the Central Bank basement, or are they just going to issue us all with sterling?

C. Flower
28-12-2011, 05:15 PM
"It has already emerged that the Foreign Office is working on a mass evacuation plan to bring expat and holidaying Brits home if Greece, Portugal or Spain suddenly implode. "

OK, we're not mentioned. Interesting. Even more interesting.... turned on RTE last night and thought I was watching ToryTV... programme on the Queen's visit (pure syrup), followed by Helen Mirren starring as....

The interesting thing about the RTE programme is that our glorious national broadcaster appears to have been given a reasonable amount of quality time with Dave....who had lots to say about the "historic nature of recent bilateral relations", etc, along with Biffo and Enda (for once, singing from a similar hymnsheet).

So to return to topic, if the yoyo does go t!ts up, what precisely are the UK plans for us? Lets all be reminded that our border treaties of the closest nature are with the UK. So if they close theirs, what happens to ours? (Rhetorical question ;-).

Has Enda been reassuring the lads across the little pond that we have our contingency plans printed in the Central Bank basement, or are they just going to issue us all with sterling?

Are having a feeling in your bones about this morticia?

There is a lot of talk about French and German banks in relation to Ireland, but I think it was Roubini who said that the City of London would be knocked flat by an Irish default.

Do you think we would find that there was a sub-clause in the GFA that could be activated in times of crisis ?

Theresa
28-12-2011, 05:23 PM
must say I hadn't copped the reasons for the british rte so thanks for enlightening me. I just thought there was a change of CEO.

Didn't her majesty indicate her support of us on her well timed visit? We have a lot to offer the UK - the land mass to feed them as they don't have enough. Back to the 19th century - thank you ff

It's amazing how blatant the uk plans are yet I got smiled at condescendingly by the media for mine! :D

Donal Og
28-12-2011, 05:39 PM
must say I hadn't copped the reasons for the british rte so thanks for enlightening me. I just thought there was a change of CEO.

Didn't her majesty indicate her support of us on her well timed visit? We have a lot to offer the UK - the land mass to feed them as they don't have enough. Back to the 19th century - thank you ff

It's amazing how blatant the uk plans are yet I got smiled at condescendingly by the media for mine! :D

I think British RTE is well entrenched by now.Cant see how the crisis is relevant really.I only have to tune into Lyric FM to remember we are not really independent.

'And that was Zadok the Priest' conducted by Sir Neville Marinner.Before that you heard the theme from The Dambusters,blop de bloo...' -- continue for ever basically!

Unless it's St Patricks Day.In which case we might get a bit of Sibelius or Smetana by way of light relief.:D

C. Flower
28-12-2011, 05:44 PM
I think British RTE is well entrenched by now.Cant see how the crisis is relevant really.I only have to tune into Lyric FM to remember we are not really independent.

'And that was Zadok the Priest' conducted by Sir Neville Marinner.Before that you heard the theme from The Dambusters,blop de bloo...' -- continue for ever basically!

Unless it's St Patricks Day.In which case we might get a bit of Sibelius or Smetana by way of light relief.:D

Was chatting to someone about this yesterday. Nobody in the UK listens to those awful military marches and dire Brit orchestral stuff. Lyric is the last outpost.

culmore
28-12-2011, 06:39 PM
the Germans control europe now, there will be no collapse of the Euro

d.vader
28-12-2011, 07:11 PM
I think British RTE is well entrenched by now.Cant see how the crisis is relevant really.I only have to tune into Lyric FM to remember we are not really independent.

'And that was Zadok the Priest' conducted by Sir Neville Marinner.Before that you heard the theme from The Dambusters,blop de bloo...' -- continue for ever basically!

Unless it's St Patricks Day.In which case we might get a bit of Sibelius or Smetana by way of light relief.:D

Brilliant! Let's keeping giving them H Cup matches as gaeilge - I know that's really sticking in their craw!

Theresa
28-12-2011, 07:19 PM
Well it was the Germans who predicted it all at military level long ago -

http://www.energybulletin.net/stories/2011-08-30/complete-english-translation-german-military-analysis-peak-oil-now-available

The link between peak oil, energy prices and recession are fairly logical. Recession is a by product exacerbated by the corrupt banking system.

Now we must wait and see how their predictions pan out - going as expected so far though.

Theresa
28-12-2011, 07:21 PM
Brilliant! Let's keeping giving them H Cup matches as gaeilge - I know that's really sticking in their craw!

Then again they were wise enough to take on Mrs Browns Boys and Father Ted. Poor auld british RTE probably thought they would offend their royal friends :rolleyes:

jmcc
28-12-2011, 07:44 PM
I only have to tune into Lyric FM to remember we are not really independent.Lyric FM has become a dumping ground for RTE DJs and RTE "personalities". Some programmes are now less about good music and more about the egos of these people. Some of the people in Lyric FM, however, really do know their music.


'And that was Zadok the Priest' conducted by Sir Neville Marinner.Good music transcends nations.

Regards...jmcc

d.vader
28-12-2011, 08:44 PM
Then again they were wise enough to take on Mrs Browns Boys and Father Ted. Poor auld british RTE probably thought they would offend their royal friends :rolleyes:

I know we're drifting off the point here but I do agree with you - I have no problems in that department. It's the cultural terrorists in our so-called state broadcaster and in such bastions (eg. the IT) I was referring to. It seems to me that their agenda is to frustrate the evolution of a true Irish identity at every turn and underpin the hegemony of the metropolis.
And yes, good music does transcend nations.

morticia
29-12-2011, 04:28 PM
Are having a feeling in your bones about this morticia?

There is a lot of talk about French and German banks in relation to Ireland, but I think it was Roubini who said that the City of London would be knocked flat by an Irish default.


Roubini is right.... but he isn't. I would suspect that they'll just print their way out of trouble (159bn ain't much to those who have already printed north of £270bn). Alternatively, my even greater suspicion is that for an initially loose federal structure, also to be offered to Mr. Salmond and colleagues perhaps, they will simply agree to let us use sterling and take over all our banks, and Nama in return for rejoining the commonwealth etc. Preferred access to land, forestry, wind, ag products, you name it. And they would also, as an added bonus, have sunk the good ship EU....

As for the GFA, forget it, they'd need a new agreement. Which would no doubt be forthcoming ASAP as the ATMs and oil supply dried up. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if there aren't high level contingency discussions taking place at the mo'... seems like Enda was one of the first people Dave called after Treatygate.

riposte
29-12-2011, 05:14 PM
Roubini is right.... but he isn't. I would suspect that they'll just print their way out of trouble (159bn ain't much to those who have already printed north of £270bn). Alternatively, my even greater suspicion is that for an initially loose federal structure, also to be offered to Mr. Salmond and colleagues perhaps, they will simply agree to let us use sterling and take over all our banks, and Nama in return for rejoining the commonwealth etc. Preferred access to land, forestry, wind, ag products, you name it. And they would also, as an added bonus, have sunk the good ship EU....

As for the GFA, forget it, they'd need a new agreement. Which would no doubt be forthcoming ASAP as the ATMs and oil supply dried up. In fact, I wouldn't be at all surprised if there aren't high level contingency discussions taking place at the mo'... seems like Enda was one of the first people Dave called after Treatygate.

I knew you'd deliver some good news Morticia .... it was only a matter of time.

Theresa
29-12-2011, 08:14 PM
they will simply agree to let us use sterling and take over all our banks, and Nama in return for rejoining the commonwealth etc. Preferred access to land, forestry, wind, ag products, you name it. And they would also, as an added bonus, have sunk the good ship EU....



Could be just what we need - considering we are happy to allow sustainable development pass by. I have to continuously refer to British practice for local progress.

I reckon if we defaulted tomorrow - fuel ran dry - international trade down - we would burn every tree on the island. We probably need someone to nurture us down the sustainable route and create alternatives we are too blinded to bother with.