36th Anniversary commemoration held in Madrid of the last political activists executed by Franco

[Sam Lord]

José Luis Sánchez-Bravo Sollas, José Humberto Baena Alonso and Ramón García Sanz of FRAP along with two activists of ETA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17daWz79yOs&feature=player_embedded#!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frente_Revolucionario_Antifascista_y_Patri%C3%B3ti co

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Party_of_Spain_(Marxist%E2%80%93Leninist )_(historical)

[Sam Lord]

http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n611/boavista1/06.jpg

[Holly]

The Spanish succumbed to the European forced choice fallacy of which type of autocracy to have, Fascism or Communism. The innocent, predictably, lost out.
Both the Reds from Moscow and the Nazis from Berlin used the unfortunate Spanish as proxies for the conflict that was soon to engulf the whole continent.
Wicked.

[Sam Lord]

The Spanish succumbed to the European forced choice fallacy of which type of autocracy to have, Fascism or Communism. The innocent, predictably, lost out.
Both the Reds from Moscow and the Nazis from Berlin used the unfortunate Spanish as proxies for the conflict that was soon to engulf the whole continent.
Wicked.

This thread isn't about the Spanish Civil War but a commemoration for activists who gave their lives in the struggle against fascism in Spain some decades later. And your grasp of history is pretty poor, btw. The Spanish Civil War came about as the result of the overthrow of a democratically elected government in a military coup led by Franco. Your take on it is just some ideologically inspired drivel that has no basis in fact.

[Holly]

... Your take on it is just some ideologically inspired drivel that has no basis in fact.
Do not confuse my scholarship with propaganda.
If this thread is not about the Spanish Civil War, which civil war is it about?

[Sam Lord]

Do not confuse my scholarship with propaganda.
If this thread is not about the Spanish Civil War, which civil war is it about?

It pertains to the anti-fascist resistance in Spain in the mid 1970's.

Your scholarship ....:confused:

It is possible, I suppose, that you have some knowledge of some things but Spain would clearly not be one of them judging by your first post in this thread.

[TotalMayhem]

This thread isn't about the Spanish Civil War but a commemoration for activists who gave their lives in the struggle against fascism in Spain some decades later.

These FRAP fellas were a weird bunch to begin with, pretty much against everything (with the exception of Marxism-Leninism, that is), Franco, "Yankee imperialism", even the democracy in Spain, once the old enemy was gone, wasn't to their likings.

[Holly]

...
It is possible, I suppose, that you have some knowledge of some things but Spain would clearly not be one of them judging by your first post in this thread.
I'm wondering if this comment is consistent with Political World's policy to deal with topics rather than demean or mock members.

[Sam Lord]

... even the democracy in Spain, once the old enemy was gone, wasn't to their likings.

They were in favour of genuine democracy actually. Being republicans what they were opposed to was being presided over by fascist connected royalty.

[TotalMayhem]

They were in favour of genuine democracy actually. Being republicans what they were opposed to was being presided over by fascist connected royalty.

The type of "genuine democracy" practiced by Lenin?

[Sam Lord]

The type of "genuine democracy" practiced by Lenin?

The type of genuine democracy where the people rule as opposed to fascist nominated feudal anachronisms.

[TotalMayhem]

Well, as sad as the story is, Sam, FRAP were anything but peace-loving democratic activists and you very well know it.

They had people killed and states (regardless the form of government) tend to retaliate when threatened with violence.

[Sam Lord]

Well, as sad as the story is, Sam, FRAP were anything but peace-loving democratic activists and you very well know it.

They had people killed and states (regardless the form of government) tend to retaliate when threatened with violence.

They were activists for democracy but no one said anything about them being pacifists. Their attitude to Fascism would have been the same as that of, say, the French resistance. That is a good and healthy militant attitude.

[TotalMayhem]

There ain't much "good and healthy" about Leninism-Marxism. Lenin and Trotsky killed 4 million people, compared to them, Franco was small fry.

[Sam Lord]

There ain't much "good and healthy" about Leninism-Marxism. Lenin and Trotsky killed 4 million people, compared to them, Franco was small fry.

4 million is nothing. Your capitalists kill 7.6 million children alone every year. Year after year. Decade after long decade. Tens of millions piling up upon tens of millions. Relentlessly.

You should be ashamed to talk about killing.

[TotalMayhem]

They're not my capitalists.

I thoroughly detest pretty much anything that happens to end in "ism".

[Sam Lord]

They're not my capitalists.

I thoroughly detest pretty much anything that happens to end in "ism".

It is unusual to find someone without any sort of world view. Do you spend most of your time meditating?

[TotalMayhem]

It is unusual to find someone without any sort of world view. Do you spend most of your time meditating?

Not every world view has necessarily to end in "ism". ;)

[Sam Lord]

Not every world view has necessarily to end in "ism". ;)

Interesting.

How would you like to see the economy organised, as a matter of interest?

[TotalMayhem]

Maybe I don't want it "organised"?

I wouldn't want you to organise things for me, just as I wouldn't dream of organising anything for you.

[Sam Lord]

Maybe I don't want it "organised"?



Of course. Total Mayhem. :)

(But I suspect ... .. libertarianism)

[TotalMayhem]

You suspect quite wrong, yet another "ideology", something for which I have no time.

[Sam Lord]

You suspect quite wrong, yet another "ideology", something for which I have no time.

Hmmmm ...

[Sam Lord]

Antifoundationalism?