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Jolly Red Giant
21-11-2011, 06:06 PM
Following an initiative by the five ULA TDs in August, a succession of meetings took place between representatives from the more fighting sections of the trade union movement and community sector about putting in a joint effort for a pre budget demonstration. This will take place on Saturday 26 November beginning at 12pm at the Garden of Remembrance, Parnell Street, Dublin. The March is sponsored by the Dublin Council of Trade Unions and supported by the Trade Union Activist Network.

After the protest a People's Assembly will be convened to discuss alternatives to austerity and a strategy for fighting the government's cuts.

Between now and the demonstration the key task the initiators have set themselves is to build the broadest possible Alliance Against Austerity between the various organisations, campaigns and struggles in Irish society who are fighting the cut agenda in all its guises. The programme for this initiative contains three simple demands:


Reverse the cuts

Tax the wealthy

Public investment in jobs


http://www.socialistparty.net/campaigns-issues/71-events/827-26-november-join-the-demo-against-budget-cuts

Cato
21-11-2011, 06:21 PM
Funnily enough, that is the same day that Labour Equality are having their conference...

disability student
21-11-2011, 06:23 PM
Funnily enough, that is the same day that Labour Equality are having their conference...

Equality nowadays doesn't mean anything just loads of hot air & waffle. No constructive action to address the growing inequality in Ireland.

C. Flower
21-11-2011, 06:29 PM
Following an initiative by the five ULA TDs in August, a succession of meetings took place between representatives from the more fighting sections of the trade union movement and community sector about putting in a joint effort for a pre budget demonstration. This will take place on Saturday 26 November beginning at 12pm at the Garden of Remembrance, Parnell Street, Dublin. The March is sponsored by the Dublin Council of Trade Unions and supported by the Trade Union Activist Network.

After the protest a People's Assembly will be convened to discuss alternatives to austerity and a strategy for fighting the government's cuts.

Between now and the demonstration the key task the initiators have set themselves is to build the broadest possible Alliance Against Austerity between the various organisations, campaigns and struggles in Irish society who are fighting the cut agenda in all its guises. The programme for this initiative contains three simple demands:


Reverse the cuts

Tax the wealthy

Public investment in jobs


http://www.socialistparty.net/campaigns-issues/71-events/827-26-november-join-the-demo-against-budget-cuts

Great. Where will the march go to, and where will the Assembly be held ?

Is it expected that the Government will concede to the demands ?

Cato
21-11-2011, 06:34 PM
Equality nowadays doesn't mean anything just loads of hot air & waffle. No constructive action to address the growing inequality in Ireland.

This article (http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/column-the-boom-made-ireland-a-more-equal-society-surprised/?utm_source=shortlink) in the thejournal.ie argues that based on a couple of different measures of inequality that it has dropped from 2005 to 2009. The CSO has not yet reported figures for 2010. (They will not be published until October of next year.)

However, poverty measures have shown that a greater number of people are now in poverty or are at risk of poverty.

Cato
21-11-2011, 06:35 PM
Is it expected that the Government will concede to the demands ?

That would seem somewhat unlikely, although one can hope that they will at least listen and take on any good, practical ideas.

Jolly Red Giant
21-11-2011, 06:37 PM
Great. Where will the march go to, and where will the Assembly be held ?
To the GPO and I don't know


Is it expected that the Government will concede to the demands ?
Do you think they might?

TUI backs protest -
http://www.tui.ie/TUI_encourages_members_to_take_part_in_march_again st_austerity/Default.1579.html

As do ASTI
http://www.asti.ie/index.php?id=38&no_cache=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=514

And apparently the ICTU (although they appear to be keeping pretty quiet about it) -
http://www.ictu.ie/download/pdf/union_post_november_2011.pdf

disability student
21-11-2011, 06:44 PM
This article (http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/column-the-boom-made-ireland-a-more-equal-society-surprised/?utm_source=shortlink) in the thejournal.ie argues that based on a couple of different measures of inequality that it has dropped from 2005 to 2009. The CSO has not yet reported figures for 2010. (They will not be published until October of next year.)

However, poverty measures have shown that a greater number of people are now in poverty or are at risk of poverty.

Quite true. During the boom years, inequality gap had closed it as soon as possible. However when the boom ended, that gap has increased three times. I would expect it to increase it further due to severe austerity cutbacks in the coming years.

Cato
21-11-2011, 06:58 PM
Quite true. During the boom years, inequality gap had closed it as soon as possible. However when the boom ended, that gap has increased three times. I would expect it to increase it further due to severe austerity cutbacks in the coming years.

While I feel that to be true, I have yet to see any evidence of it. Do you have some?

disability student
21-11-2011, 07:02 PM
While I feel that to be true, I have yet to see any evidence of it. Do you have some?

Please bear with me as i try to find my economic notes somewhere in the house and post it .;)

C. Flower
21-11-2011, 08:39 PM
To the GPO and I don't know

You could spit from Parnell Square the GPO - a march is hardly necessary.



Do you think they might?

Do you? and if not, what is the point in the demands? Who are they addressed to?


TUI backs protest -
http://www.tui.ie/TUI_encourages_members_to_take_part_in_march_again st_austerity/Default.1579.html

As do ASTI
http://www.asti.ie/index.php?id=38&no_cache=1&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=514

And apparently the ICTU (although they appear to be keeping pretty quiet about it) -
http://www.ictu.ie/download/pdf/union_post_november_2011.pdf



About time.:) I'll do my best to spread the word. Would you have time to write a blog post on why people should go ?

Sam Lord
21-11-2011, 09:54 PM
You could spit from Parnell Square the GPO - a march is hardly necessary.


:confused: Yes, it's a bit strange. Surely if demands are being made of the government then it would be appropriate to go to Dail Eireann?

morticia
21-11-2011, 09:57 PM
I can't help feeling that there would be far more impact if we were all to march in Berlin, I'm afraid. However, always worth a try, I suppose.

C. Flower
21-11-2011, 11:04 PM
It is my sincere wish that the end of the march will have not left Parnell Square before the front of it reaches the GPO.

Apjp
21-11-2011, 11:41 PM
Stupidest march in living memory. on a Saturday from one end of O Connell Street more or less to the other. The ULA are incredibly naiive.

Jolly Red Giant
21-11-2011, 11:47 PM
Stupidest march in living memory. on a Saturday from one end of O Connell Street more or less to the other. The ULA are incredibly naiive.

The route was decided primarily by the DCTU - not the ULA. The original plan was to go to Dame St. but apparently a handful of the 'occupy' people objected (an because of their 'consensus' approach these few formed a blocking minority).

C. Flower
22-11-2011, 12:04 AM
The route was decided primarily by the DCTU - not the ULA. The original plan was to go to Dame St. but apparently a handful of the 'occupy' people objected (an because of their 'consensus' approach these few formed a blocking minority).

Why ?

Was it the banners issue ? Surely, banners could have been folded before going on to the occupation site ?

PaddyJoe
22-11-2011, 12:05 AM
:confused: Yes, it's a bit strange. Surely if demands are being made of the government then it would be appropriate to go to Dail Eireann?

I don't think you'll find any government representatives within an asses' roar of the Dail on a Saturday;)

C. Flower
22-11-2011, 12:10 AM
The route was decided primarily by the DCTU - not the ULA. The original plan was to go to Dame St. but apparently a handful of the 'occupy' people objected (an because of their 'consensus' approach these few formed a blocking minority).

Occupy people from what I can see of Face Book are supporting the march.
I've asked for info on this.

C. Flower
22-11-2011, 12:54 AM
A lot of ODS people are supporting the march. I see that the March is organised by the DCTU.

A bit of patience might be needed to overcome the fears of some ODS people about TUs.

C. Flower
22-11-2011, 01:10 AM
Following an initiative by the five ULA TDs in August, a succession of meetings took place between representatives from the more fighting sections of the trade union movement and community sector about putting in a joint effort for a pre budget demonstration. This will take place on Saturday 26 November beginning at 12pm at the Garden of Remembrance, Parnell Street, Dublin. The March is sponsored by the Dublin Council of Trade Unions and supported by the Trade Union Activist Network.

After the protest a People's Assembly will be convened to discuss alternatives to austerity and a strategy for fighting the government's cuts.

Between now and the demonstration the key task the initiators have set themselves is to build the broadest possible Alliance Against Austerity between the various organisations, campaigns and struggles in Irish society who are fighting the cut agenda in all its guises. The programme for this initiative contains three simple demands:


Reverse the cuts

Tax the wealthy

Public investment in jobs


http://www.socialistparty.net/campaigns-issues/71-events/827-26-november-join-the-demo-against-budget-cuts


I would like it if the article mentioned that the march is organised by DCTU. How can any solidarity be built if it's all "me me me me" ?

disability student
22-11-2011, 01:13 AM
That march could be hi jacked by self serving people or the trade unions beardies!!

C. Flower
22-11-2011, 01:17 AM
That march could be hi jacked by self serving people or the trade unions beardies!!

The more people go, and take their own placards, the less it can be hijacked.

Sam Lord
22-11-2011, 01:39 AM
I don't think you'll find any government representatives within an asses' roar of the Dail on a Saturday;)

Point taken. But you won't find any at the GPO either. The Dail would still be more appropriate in terms of the message being sent out imo.

unspecific
22-11-2011, 07:21 AM
This is a hugely positive first step, essentially a second chance at what Enough! should have been.

As far as I am aware, the "Alliance Against Austerity" will be a new campaign of campaigns including most of those which have sprung up in recent years.

The full force of the ULA, Enough! and the various subnetworks, Anti-Household Charges Campaign, the trade union activists network, disaffected LabourLeft and ODS is a very strong basis to build a new movement from.

Yes there will be a lot of overlap, but it has the potential to really smash that 2k attendance barrier once it gets going. That in itself will work to leverage massive pressure on the leadership of the trade union/labour movement to get involved in the fightback.

As for the actual march Saturday, its just a launch more than anything. I think the DCTU's route might be a bit too short, but the idea for the assembly at the end is great. I think 90 percent of speakers will be pre-pared plants, but it's a good start.

C. Flower
22-11-2011, 12:35 PM
Point taken. But you won't find any at the GPO either. The Dail would still be more appropriate in terms of the message being sent out imo.

Personally, I'm very happy with the GPO as a destination. It has great history and is a much better gathering place than the Dail gates. Also, I think that presenting a wish list to Fine Gael is not the way to go in terms of demands.

The demand that we should be making now should be on the leadership of the Trade Unions and left parties to get off their backsides and mobilise their membership - and that they should step pp with a genuine alternative to FG/Lab.

This "Alliance against Austerity" seems to be a much better idea than building a mixem and gatherum party of people who don't agree with each other. The ULA needs to be built on the basis of a definite party programme if it is to be built.

I think those involved in the Dame Street Occupation should get stuck into supporting this event and campaign. It seems that many of them are.

C. Flower
23-11-2011, 03:22 PM
ICTU supporting this - a bit late for organising coaches though, but better late than never.


CONGRESS URGES UNIONS TO SUPPORT NOV. 26 DEMONSTRATION

The Irish Congress of Trade Unions has strongly urged all affiliated unions to support a planned demonstration against austerity, in Dublin on November 26.

The demonstration is being organised by the Dublin Council of Trade Unions and is supported by Congress. It has been called to protest against the ongoing austerity programme and in support of an investment programme to stimulate jobs and growth.

General Secretary David Begg said that affiliated unions should try and maximise union participation in the demonstration and “give clear voice to the desperate need for job creation and economic growth.”

Mr Begg said trade unions had been a “lone voice” in arguing against the imposition of an austerity programme on Ireland. “We said consistently that austerity and deflation would not work and would simply make a bad situation worse. Unfortunately, that voice was not heeded and our fears have been realised.

“Now we need a new plan for growth and November 26 offers trade union members and civil society groups the opportunity to rally in support of jobs and growth.

“The most important deficit we face now is the deficit in the demand for labour. Families up and down the country are being devastated by unemployment and that must be the number one social and economic priority for Government.

“To add insult to injury, people are facing cuts to essential public services, just at a time when they need them most. The whole process is self-defeating.”

Mr Begg pointed out that it was possible to adopt a different budgetary strategy that would see the heaviest burden fall on those who could most afford it, while also investing to create jobs and stimulate growth.

He said the recent Congress pre Budget Submission – Growth is the Key – outlined a number of specific proposals for job creation and investment.

C. Flower
26-11-2011, 11:05 PM
This is a hugely positive first step, essentially a second chance at what Enough! should have been.

As far as I am aware, the "Alliance Against Austerity" will be a new campaign of campaigns including most of those which have sprung up in recent years.

The full force of the ULA, Enough! and the various subnetworks, Anti-Household Charges Campaign, the trade union activists network, disaffected LabourLeft and ODS is a very strong basis to build a new movement from.

Yes there will be a lot of overlap, but it has the potential to really smash that 2k attendance barrier once it gets going. That in itself will work to leverage massive pressure on the leadership of the trade union/labour movement to get involved in the fightback.

As for the actual march Saturday, its just a launch more than anything. I think the DCTU's route might be a bit too short, but the idea for the assembly at the end is great. I think 90 percent of speakers will be pre-pared plants, but it's a good start.

Was not able to stay for the speeches and assembly. How did they go?

C. Flower
28-11-2011, 07:15 PM
Report on the march against austerity – saturday 26 november
By revolutionaryprogramme

I’d say the size of the demonstration was about 4k with the distinct ULA contingent, which I marched with (behind the Cork ULA banner), being a bit under 100. There was a separate, slightly smaller, SWP contingent immediately behind us but as far as I could see there was no separate SP contingent on the march.

Both the SP and SWP had large paper selling and leafleting teams, with a smaller ULA leafleting team (made up primarily of SP & SWPers from what I could tell).

I was very surprised to see ICTU President Eugene McGlone as one of the key-note speakers given that ICTU had done virtually nothing to build the demonstration. For instance my own union, IMPACT, had only sent out an email with the march details at 13:33 on Friday 25 November – the day before the march!

McGlone was spouting the usual reformist rubbish with not a word about the need for militant class struggle. Given ICTU’s encouragement, at the mass demonstration in Dublin on 27 November last year (where the ICTU leaders were booed by a sizeable part of the crowd), to vote Labour as the answer to our problems, rather than militant class struggle, I was surprised by the degree of respect McGlone got from this crowd only a year later with Labour in a coalition continuing the attacks of the previous regime, especially as the supposedly left-wing component was a much larger proportion this time.

Another thing I found strange was the compère from the Dublin Council of Trade Unions giving a special thanks to S*inn Fein and the ULA for helping organise the demo (are SF in the Alliance Against Austerity?). Sinn Fein has a contingent on the demonstration. It was near the back and I only had a brief look at it but it seemed similar in size to the ULA contingent.

The union contingents, such as were present, were the biggest blocs on the demo (SIPTU and INTO being the two largest I think). The Workers Solidarity Movement, Workers Party and Republican Sinn Fein were other smaller contingents I noticed. I presume éirígí were there but I didn’t see them. Socialist Democracy were distributing their paper and I saw a lone Spart whom I approached to buy a Workers Vanguard, much to his surprise as he seemed to otherwise be being mostly ignored. He was a visitor and didn’t recognise me.

The Alliance Against Austerity had announced that they would be facilitating a “general assembly” at the end of the formal part of the demonstration. I missed the transition between the formal speakers to the “general assembly” as I was handing out ULA leaflets to the passers-by at the time but when I came back to the front of the stage it became apparent that the bulk of the demonstration had left with little more than 1k remaining.

My wife, Anne McShane, had been one of the first to put her name forward to speak at the “general assembly” but in scenes reminiscent of the worst of the SWP’s undemocratic procedures she was not taken to speak, despite reminding them repeatedly. The fact that Kieran Allen was in constant communication with the two SWP women formally responsible for organising the speakers list was obviously not accidental.

The speakers who did get to participate in the “general assembly” seemed to be mostly pre-arranged from single issue campaigns which I presume have joined with the ULA in the new Alliance Against Austerity. These were interspersed with SWP and SP speakers, though mostly not identifiying as such. I thought the best of these were the SP speakers though I noticed that even they seemed reluctant to use the “S” word…

The Campaign Against Household & Water Taxes did not have a speaker, or indeed any separate presence at the demonstration, which was quite surprising given that both the SP & SWP have supposedly made it a top priority. I also wasn’t aware of either a People before Profit or Enough! presence.

Cross posted from the ULA Blogging Network thread - thanks to Unspecific715.

antiestablishmentarian
28-11-2011, 07:21 PM
Less than 100 in the ULA contingent...and one year on from the launch. It's a **** poor effort that they were unable to rustle up more than 100 to a march they were organising themselves. As well as that, the continued lack of a party publication seems to be one of the many things stunting the ULA's growth- if the SP and SWP were more interested in selling their own literature than in putting something together for the ULA, even a bloody newsletter, then that shows how far down the list of priorities the shambles of an alliance is.

C. Flower
28-11-2011, 07:25 PM
I'd add to this that the ULA now have two full timers who were manning a ULA table, and that TDs including Clare Daly marched behind a ULA banner.

The overall feel of the march was limp and almost embarrassed - no criticism to those who took part, but it felt tired.

The ULA contingent started off chanting the usual slogans of "fighting back" against cuts, but seems to have fallen silent after a while.

There was also a very lively DR Congo anti Kabile march, a few yards behind....

ICTU only called for support on the Wednesday before the march. That was clearly not serious.

I suggest that the next march is on the ICTU headquarters, to tell them to get moving or stand down in favour of people who will.

Sam Lord
28-11-2011, 07:25 PM
... if the SP and SWP were more interested in selling their own literature than in putting something together for the ULA, even a bloody newsletter, then that shows how far down the list of priorities the shambles of an alliance is.

And between Enough and the Alliance for Austerity now, the ordinary punter will be worn out keeping track of it all.

But the ULA will find new life when elections come around again. I'm very confident of that. ;)

antiestablishmentarian
28-11-2011, 07:31 PM
And between Enough and the Alliance for Austerity now, the ordinary punter will be worn out keeping track of it all.

But the ULA will find new life when elections come around again. I'm very confident of that. ;)
You've forgotten these lads Sam


The Campaign Against Household & Water Taxes did not have a speaker, or indeed any separate presence at the demonstration, which was quite surprising given that both the SP & SWP have supposedly made it a top priority.
:(:confused::D

C. Flower
28-11-2011, 07:40 PM
You've forgotten these lads Sam


:(:confused::D

They were right at the back. I met one man there with leaflets, who wasn't a party member. From what he says, there's a lively campaign starting in his area, quite broad based. It was hard to tell from him who was leading it.

antiestablishmentarian
28-11-2011, 07:42 PM
Sure, but it seems as if the main groups in the ULA are just campaign hopping at this stage. There've been a few brief flurries where attempts were made to build it but it's been an ebb and a flow, and it is not a good augury for the continued existence of the ULA that the main component groups are up to their necks in other campaigns. In fact, I'd go so far as to say it's a tacit admission that the Alliance isn't developing and is stuck in a rut.

C. Flower
28-11-2011, 07:46 PM
Sure, but it seems as if the main groups in the ULA are just campaign hopping at this stage. There've been a few brief flurries where attempts were made to build it but it's been an ebb and a flow, and it is not a good augury for the continued existence of the ULA that the main component groups are up to their necks in other campaigns. In fact, I'd go so far as to say it's a tacit admission that the Alliance isn't developing and is stuck in a rut.

My impression from the march is that the SP and SWP have decided they had to do something about moving it along.

There was a very visible ULA presence, and as I said, the appointment of two full timers must mean something.

One is from the SP and one from the SWP. They said that no one unaligned had expressed interest.

The problem about producing material is that the ULA is formless politically and has no means established of developing a programme.

Sam Lord
28-11-2011, 10:21 PM
There was a very visible ULA presence, and as I said, the appointment of two full timers must mean something.


What do you mean full timers? Are these paid positions?

Kev Bar
29-11-2011, 06:56 PM
Just got an invite to a "Spectacle of Defiance and Hope" - catchy what? - City Hall sat Dec 3rd from the Enough Campaign.

(Presume it's from having given my details at the Michael Albert talk)

One is asked to wear red.

C. Flower
29-11-2011, 07:26 PM
Yay ! It's just one big revolutionary party...

C. Flower
29-11-2011, 07:31 PM
What do you mean full timers? Are these paid positions?

Yes.

Kev Bar
29-11-2011, 07:32 PM
Yay ! It's just one big revolutionary party...

Ride on, comrade.

See you there.

I'll be wearing red.

C. Flower
29-11-2011, 07:34 PM
Ride on, comrade.

Seriously though, is this stuff not a bit patronising... as though people need to be given sweets with their medecine ?

Kev Bar
29-11-2011, 07:39 PM
Seriously though, is this stuff not a bit patronising... as though people need to be given sweets with their medecine ?

I know.

There is a serious need of a rallying figure with broad appeal.

If one cld get the Frontline ladies eating toast for their dinner out on the streets, one could transcend the vaudeville and achieve some potency.